clutchless downshifts ?????

I admittedly do 70% of my upshifts without the clutch. The gearbox certainly doesn't take kindly to clutchless shifts at low revs (contrary to what I would have thought). If you're accelerating fast this is the perfect time to do it as it snicks up to the next gear as though it's been coated with KY (whatever that is ).

One of the reasons I do clutchless shifts is because I'm lazy - on the SV it's just so easy.


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Originally Posted by steveo

Incidentally i was behind a Hornet with twin akraprovic pipes this morning, sounded lovely

Possibly a 900cc Hornet - twin high-level pipes as standard

I suspect that jonboy is right - clutchless upshifting is easier are high-ish revs and in the higher gears.

Originally Posted by steveo

I was shutting off the gas completely before trying to shift gear which may be where i was going wrong. May try it on the way home as the weather and roads seem ok even though its a little cold.

Incidentally i was behind a Hornet with twin akraprovic pipes this morning, sounded lovely

Cheers

Yeah you only need to back off the throttle the slightest bit to change up.

i dont know if im going to get jumped on for saying this buttttt.....

Whats the point in not using the clutch, apart from going from netrual to first to pull off, if you didnt need it for up and down shifting then what the hell is it there for other than to use for changeing gear????

If your not using it because your caning the bike then perhapes you should do more track days and less street racing.

I know that if you dont use the clutch in a car it sha=gs the selectour and the stick goes all baggy.

Im not moaning at anyone person here its just an observasion. For the point in saving a second or two why not just use the clutch?

How the hell do you spell observasion? or is this right?

Originally Posted by ReLoAd

How the hell do you spell observasion?

With a "t" instead of the "s"

And no, keithd, I don't mean "obtervasion"

Originally Posted by ReLoAd

i dont know if im going to get jumped on for saying this buttttt.....

Whats the point in not using the clutch, apart from going from netrual to first to pull off, if you didnt need it for up and down shifting then what the hell is it there for other than to use for changeing gear????

If your not using it because your caning the bike then perhapes you should do more track days and less street racing.

I know that if you dont use the clutch in a car it sha=gs the selectour and the stick goes all baggy.

Im not moaning at anyone person here its just an observasion. For the point in saving a second or two why not just use the clutch?

How the hell do you spell observasion? or is this right?

It's a good point, why? Well for a start it's an easier process, removing the middle man, secondly it's smoother, thirdly you can make slightly faster progress if you're hammering it (or so I'm told ).

For me it's become a natural thing to do. I don't recommend people either do or they don't, it's just a question of personal preference really.


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Originally Posted by ReLoAd

I know that if you dont use the clutch in a car it sha=gs the selectour and the stick goes all baggy.

not if its done right.The same applies in a car - match the revs and the gearbox will snick right in. Cars have syncromesh and you have to go via neutral which should make this even easier, and the benefits can be even greater if done right. Downshifting like this is very difficult though, as hitting the throttle and the brake at the same time is a wee bit tricky.

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Originally Posted by ophic

not if its done right.The same applies in a car - match the revs and the gearbox will snick right in. Cars have syncromesh and you have to go via neutral which should make this even easier, and the benefits can be even greater if done right. Downshifting like this is very difficult though, as hitting the throttle and the brake at the same time is a wee bit tricky.

i had to do this once when my clutch cable snapped on my way to work...was quite surprised at some of the smooth shifts...admittedly some dreadful ones as well

Originally Posted by ophic

not if its done right.The same applies in a car - match the revs and the gearbox will snick right in. Cars have syncromesh and you have to go via neutral which should make this even easier, and the benefits can be even greater if done right. Downshifting like this is very difficult though, as hitting the throttle and the brake at the same time is a wee bit tricky.

syncromesh that cages have and constantmesh that motocycles have are 2 different things

in a bike, you do not have to match revs to shift clutchless, all you have to do is "unload" the pressure on the gears

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Originally Posted by RandyO

syncromesh that cages have and constantmesh that motocycles have are 2 different things

in a bike, you do not have to match revs to shift clutchless, all you have to do is "unload" the pressure on the gears

you don't have to match revs in either circumstance... however i would advise anyone attempting this to at least try