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11-05-05, 07:40 PM

K, thank you. Your explanation is the first time I've actually twigged how to point your shoulder into a corner properly.
Just had a bit of a romp before it got dark and I could feel it making a slight difference as the bike turned in.

11-05-05, 07:46 PM

No blloody idea. Probably push, but actually maybe a drop of the shoulder on the corner side dropping the bar down into the lean...

no, it doesnt bear rationalisation does it.....

Ive never thought of it as a pull

but maybe it is.

Tell you what tho Im not going to start thinking about it when riding as it will never work then

11-05-05, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carsick

K, thank you. Your explanation is the first time I've actually twigged how to point your shoulder into a corner properly.
Just had a bit of a romp before it got dark and I could feel it making a slight difference as the bike turned in.

I didnt notice this at all on the SV but notice it all the time on the GS.

11-05-05, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carsick

K, thank you. Your explanation is the first time I've actually twigged how to point your shoulder into a corner properly.
Just had a bit of a romp before it got dark and I could feel it making a slight difference as the bike turned in.

Ahh good, I'm glad it made sense to someone... as I'm not too sure it made sense to me!

11-05-05, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by K

Ahh good, I'm glad it made sense to someone... as I'm not too sure it made sense to me!

It made bugger all sense until I went out on the bike and did it.
I realise now that to some degree I already do it, but doing it consciously seems to make a difference.

11-05-05, 10:20 PM

I'm sure you can all guess which one I voted for in the poll

11-05-05, 10:44 PM

One hopes that the PUSHERS & PULLERS are talking about different sides of the bar when they consider what they do.

eg - you can not achieve the same result by Pushing / Pulling on the left hand bar for instance .

12-05-05, 06:16 AM

A contentious little issue this is! At the end of the day,if what ever you do on a regular basis sees you negotiate curves smoothly,safely and without drama then stick with it. Only begin to analyse if you feel you want to improve your technique or be able to carve the turns quicker.

Balky001 · 12-05-05, 09:15 AM

I only ever pushed but I'm trying a bit of both now. Pushing is far smoother and natural to me, but pulling at the same time can get the bike on its side quicker for thos flip flop moments. I think if you are leaning heavily and hanging off the side you are naturally pushing on the inside bar without noticing as the bar is closer to your body (you might be pulling too!)

12-05-05, 09:44 AM

Usually use push (I find I can control it more finely).

Pulling is know as 'active countersteering' (rather than passive) and tends to be quicker/more severe. I find Pulling better for if a bend tightens up or you need to avoid something suddenly.

View Poll Results: Countersteer! Push or Pull ?
Pull	5	10.00%
Push	41	82.00%
What's counter steer ?	4	8.00%
Voters: 50. You may not vote on this poll

12-05-05, 09:15 AM	#29
Balky001 Member Mega Poster Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Leigh - on - Sea, Essex. Posts: 1,491	I only ever pushed but I'm trying a bit of both now. Pushing is far smoother and natural to me, but pulling at the same time can get the bike on its side quicker for thos flip flop moments. I think if you are leaning heavily and hanging off the side you are naturally pushing on the inside bar without noticing as the bar is closer to your body (you might be pulling too!) __________________ SV650SK3 - GSXR600K2 - GSXR750K6 - ZX636RC1H - HD Sportster 1200 - CBR600F 2012 - GSXR1000K7 - Triumph Bonneville T100 2019 - Aprilia Tuono 660

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11-05-05, 07:40 PM	#21
Carsick Guest Posts: n/a	K, thank you. Your explanation is the first time I've actually twigged how to point your shoulder into a corner properly. Just had a bit of a romp before it got dark and I could feel it making a slight difference as the bike turned in.

11-05-05, 07:46 PM	#22
Anonymous Guest Posts: n/a	No blloody idea. Probably push, but actually maybe a drop of the shoulder on the corner side dropping the bar down into the lean... no, it doesnt bear rationalisation does it..... Ive never thought of it as a pull but maybe it is. Tell you what tho Im not going to start thinking about it when riding as it will never work then

11-05-05, 10:20 PM	#26
TrojanHorse11 Guest Posts: n/a	I'm sure you can all guess which one I voted for in the poll

11-05-05, 10:44 PM	#27
Shooter Guest Posts: n/a	One hopes that the PUSHERS & PULLERS are talking about different sides of the bar when they consider what they do. eg - you can not achieve the same result by Pushing / Pulling on the left hand bar for instance .

12-05-05, 06:16 AM	#28
Peter Henry Guest Posts: n/a	A contentious little issue this is! At the end of the day,if what ever you do on a regular basis sees you negotiate curves smoothly,safely and without drama then stick with it. Only begin to analyse if you feel you want to improve your technique or be able to carve the turns quicker.

12-05-05, 09:44 AM	#30
Ceri JC Guest Posts: n/a	Usually use push (I find I can control it more finely). Pulling is know as 'active countersteering' (rather than passive) and tends to be quicker/more severe. I find Pulling better for if a bend tightens up or you need to avoid something suddenly.