Do I deserve a Pay Rise ? (Long read) Please advise

Originally Posted by PatrickUK

all the girls in the office wear mini skirts

That's why you're staying isnt it?

Originally Posted by PatrickUK

I'm not worried about this k|/|0b (office manager)

He was over ruled by the company owner anyway & now all the girls in the office wear mini skirts & guys wear shorts.

Excellent! Nothing like telling a crap manager what you think!

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

That's why you're staying isnt it?

Now you cought me out

[pegasus]

you would look good in a mini skirt loverboy..or is that ladyboy...hmmmm

[northwind]

Originally Posted by PatrickUK

Therefore I purchased a couple of very smart casual 3 / 4 length trousers, which cost in excess of £200.

You spent £200 on a pair of shorts. Ergo, you earn too much money.

To be honest with you, in your situation money would be the last of my worries.

Originally Posted by Gnan

but remember IT support workers are 10 a penny nowadays and therefore demand is lower and salaries go down.. so you might find it hard to barter.

This is a topic close to my heart right now.

I've been in the industry for 20 years, first as a hardware engineer, then systems and finally networks. I don't believe that people like me will be needed much longer with the way the technology is going, in fact I'd say in ten years time there will be a small number of highly paid system developers and programmers and the rest will just be box shifters. Networks will configure themselves and administrators will do little more than set up user accounts. Systems will need no more technical support than a pocket calculator.

This is one reason I'm looking at retraining now rather than being pushed out when I'm in my mid 50's. I feel a bit like a steam loco engineer in the late 1950s...

So far as cr*p managers go, I think there are more around now. There seems to be a trend towards management "by numbers" i.e. ticking the right boxes and following procedures, genuine dynamic management let alone leadership is becoming increasingly rare. At my place we are seeing more and more so called managers apearing at all levels and it's got to the point where the organisation is so clogged with red tape that a job that could be done in a couple of weeks two or three years ago is now taking months!

I'm hoping to find something less stressful like paramedic...

Too true desktops are managed by policies (if you're in a Microsoft enviroment) software installs done automatically. You now have cabless pathing racks.

There will always be a certain amount of support needed but wil become more training than fixing as queries become how do I? rather than This is broken.

[timwilky]

I have watched this thread with interest. Although I no longer have management responsibilities within my company I have been with them for 21 years and at one time was the manager of the IT dept with a headcount of 24 staff from highly trained and well paid developers down to system and network admins.

Firstly, the way that you handled your problem was totally out of order. Even if the office manager is not your line manager he has the responsibility of setting acceptable custom and practice and enforcing it. OK he should not have shouted, he was possibly annoyed that your immediate supervisor had oked something that he deemed unacceptable.

Going over his head with complaints will get you noticed but for the wrong reasons. You should have avoided being confrontational and instead wrote a proposed policy document for data and network security, explain why you need to impliment such a policy and the benifits and risks associated with adoption or failure to adopt.

Your letter comes over to me as bleating "I am so much better, and look what I do". To be honest it reads "I also do a junior IT operations and administration role". Get real the people who do this are generally earning about 10-12k and do it to get the first rung in an IT career. If somebody has offered you an extra 4K on top of your current salary, jump ship now. Because if you worked for me you would be on the bottom of my list for promotion with a total lack of regard for the management structure, what appears to be a giant chip on your shoulder and an over inflated ego.

Sorry I have never met you and my opinion may be all wrong. But this is the impression you leave me with.

I sincerly hope your career progresses well. But, you need to take stock of yourself and wake upto the fact that the world does not owe you anything.

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by sharriso74

Too true desktops are managed by policies (if you're in a Microsoft enviroment) software installs done automatically. You now have cabless pathing racks.

There will always be a certain amount of support needed but wil become more training than fixing as queries become how do I? rather than This is broken.

I agree. To many of our helpdesk staff have naff all diagnostic skills. When things break as they invariably do they have not got the first idea on how to breakdown the problem, troubleshoot likely causes and then fix it.

Often they come and bleat at me and I point them in the right direction. Seems to me everybody is being trained as a call logging, box shifting monkey. I seriously think in a few years time there will be a skills shortgage for experienced high end techie's who actually know what they are doing.

@timwilky

yeah right.

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Reason why I took this Job in the first place was because it is permanent. My previous IT jobs have all been contracts for Projects.


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