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No you wouldn't. The threat just isn't as obvious.
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I've heard many coppers moan about the amount of paperwork thats come in in the last 10 years. Would it be possible to get rid of some of the pointless paperwork so that these cuts can be made by allowing them to be more efficient rather than by cutting the number of officers? By more efficient, I don't mean that any PCs should have to do more work, but rather that they'd spend more time out on the street instead of the office? |
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There's no doubt you're right that various incarnations of socialism have been perverted by selfishness, fear, greed and sloth but it's far from the only political system that can claim that. These are all very human characteristics and they are exactly what we've seen on the streets this past week IMO. Disorder always bolsters the right. The narrative of this week from the right seems to be that the welfare state is the cause. The assumption that all the rioters/looters are in receipt of state benefits is made without the need for evidence. It may well be true, I've no idea, but it could well be the case. However, I've also seen the assumption that their parents must also be on benefits and I think that's a bit shakier. I wouldn't describe myself as a socialist, possibly a liberal (you'll note the small L ![]() However, it won't be surprising if the voters shift to the right on this issue and I would be concerned that the deserving suffer from the actions of a small minority. That's not to say that I don't believe a large slice of benefit reform is required, but I'd rather it wasn't made quickly and in the shadow of recent events. Policing is the other area where we may now swing too far to the right (too far for me that is, for others there seems to be no limit). As I've said before, what we've seen is the worst of human nature in action. These scrotes have always been with us and always will. They weren't created by socialism and they won't disappear with its abolition. Whether our current weakness in dealing with them, or the heavy-handedness that might now follow, is the greater provocation time will tell. A lurch too far to the right now may, in the future, produce some "proper" riots. Last edited by TamSV; 14-08-11 at 05:07 PM. |
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I did ![]() Despite what certain people think of me, I too feel that a welfare system is a sign of a civilised and altruistic society, but let it be carefully constructed not to be too easy an option. Spoiled children's behaviour deteriorates - that's human nature. Which is precisely what the charlatan left rely upon. But the reverse is clearly true, even if Labour weren't continually and intractably the victims of 'socialist' perversion, all there is after that is authoritarianism. Quote:
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Out of interest Sid, in what way do you think the Police are out of control? Are you meaning more of higher up the ranks and the actual organisation rather than most individual cops? Or do you mean more the laws that are being enforced? Genuinely interested. I do believe that sometimes the Govts knee jerk reaction to everything is to introduce a new law or piece of legislation. I mean, ASBO's to me are a prime example. Most ASBOs basically are "don't commit crime" so it means they are committing the original crime and breaching their ASBO where as most normal people know not to do it in the first place! The looting that has taken place does not require any new legislation. The legislation is already there to deal with that. What it needed, IMHO, was a Home Secretary with half a clue of what they should be doing and a bit of a back bone. The looting should have been stamped out MUCH quicker by calling for mutual aid from Forces quicker and over powering them quickly. But then again, I am rank and file. What do I know? I'm only trained in how to actually deal with it on the street, as opposed to watching it on TV and making a decision in my office and signing a piece of paper. ![]() |
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Not a random resurrection as such....I justI wanted to say this "I couldn't give a Gnats wotsit if he had fired first at the police or not. If he had a gun on him(correct?), that's good enough reason for me....that he got himself killed" .
The only thing I disliked, was the way the Police handled the aftermath...but having said what I said in the first paragraph, I'm not going to lose too much sleep, with regards to that. As for those apparently protesting(leading onto rioting) because he was shot and killed, well, must either be a bit stupid really or hadn't realised, he was carrying a weapon. I certainly wouldn't hjave been doing any protesting on account of someone who was carrying a gun illegally....we have to assume, would have been prepared to use it on someone.
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Personally I think 99% of those rioting couldn't give a fig about the police shooting, they just wanted an excuse to go on the rampage and they took it. If we want to get all deep and meaningful then we need to try and examine why there is so much frustration out there and the lack of any apparent willingness to do anything about it.
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