Well im the luckiest man alive atm

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

How about this 0.2 mile stretch of road of the top of my head? Prohibited to overtake for the entire stretch if travelling Southbound from waypoints A to B, half single half double white lines.

Also another Warwickshire road that has gone from a 60 limit down to a 40 recently, even though the accident stats for the road, show more more accidents involved cars doing 40 and 50, than cars doing 60 or above.

Don't tell me you think councils only paint solid white lines in places where they are absolutely necessary?

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&so...67.76,,0,12.93

I certainly wouldn't be overtaking at that stretch, probably neither the short stretch in front of the throw-back arrows - Theres a junction on the nearside before it and the view of the rest of the bend is restricted by trees and approaching a 30mph. Overtake there, and you're asking for Mr Plod to pull you.

Up here, the DWL are few and far between, and only at danger spots. This is Scotland remember, can't go wasting money on paint that isn't necessary

Originally Posted by lee67

yes we all speed, but theres a time an place, ive been going to my local( well not so local) bike meet( squires)

Squires is known for it, but for good reason far too many casualites around there each year. Time and a place for it is a good statement.

Originally Posted by ravingdavis

I accept that people are going to comment on my ticket,

Sounds like you were 5hit outa luck dave mate, they were gonna do you by the sounds of it regardless. If they followed any driver/rider for a period of time then they'd get something to convict with. Again...unlucky.

Originally Posted by Nelson

I would be interested to see a 'safe' overtake that involves you coming bck into the nearside over solid white lines...

Plenty, hell its safe to over take even if it starts on double white lines as well. Double White lines and road design is based on ALL vehicles and for that reason the white lines need to be placed with consideration to overtaking capabilies of van drivers, car drivers bloody bus drivers who otherwise might be tempted. A bike is more than capable of making a clean and safe overtake in a double line area. I agree with YC, they're seen to be more "advisory" when on a bike.

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

Dave performed a safe overtake manoeuvre and happened to clip a set of white lines that are designed to guide cars and completely irrelevant for the capability of bikes anyway at the end of a manoeuvre. That's life too!

Expands/better explains my earlier point.

Originally Posted by ravingdavis

Just want to point out that this sentence had me giggling like a 2 year old for about 5 mins

+1 pal, he's right though.

To risk sounding like a boring toad, Simple reason for the national clamp down is our safety and their statistics. Its start of the biking season for real now, and that ticket of Daves and Specials close call will slow them both down, the more people they tell the more people will be thinking "hmmmm a lot of plod around, best not get too carried away" and sure enough people ride slower, and take more consideration before acting. They get home 2mins later but at least they get home rather than becomming one of those statistics I mentioned earlier - Its simple but effective.

Originally Posted by Nelson

Theres a junction on the nearside before it

Which is why waypoint A is after this junction

Originally Posted by Nelson

approaching a 30mph

Which is why waypoint B is before the 30 limit

Originally Posted by Nelson

the view of the rest of the bend is restricted by trees

A to B is a 400 yd stretch, which you can see 200yds into the distance clearly on Google maps, actually on the bike with the ability to position to the left and look over the top of the car in front, you can see even further. I know google maps is a wide angle lens, but the car you can see in the distance on my link is so far away you can't even tell what genre of car it is, never mind make or model.

I'm originally from Kirkcaldy and lived in Fife and the Central belt for the last 10 years. There's plenty of DWL on completely straight sections of road in Scotland too.

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

I'm originally from Kirkcaldy and lived in Fife and the Central belt for the last 10 years. There's plenty of DWL on completely straight sections of road in Scotland too.

Northbound on the new Forth Crossing

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&so...55.25,,0,20.42

Stays that way all the way to the new roundabout just before the Gartarry Roundabout. Straight, wide, open, lined by armco on both sides, and not a SINGLE junction or entrance!

A 2.5 mile stretch where if granny wants to do 25mph in her Daewoo Matiz, you are completely stuck behind her, along with the big queue of traffic behind you.

Highly dangerous place to overtake that eh

[yorkie_chris]

Much safer to squeeze down an inch away from the car to avoid crossing the lines of course.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Much safer to squeeze down an inch away from the car to avoid crossing the lines of course.

Or undertake using that cycle lane on the left of ralphs pic

Ok Ralph, you win, I'll take my clean licence away and go make my observations elsewhere. In fact, I've never been pulled on my bike despite the loud exhaut. Talking of DWL, I don't live in the central belt, so I dont have that problem!

The DWL are to protect you from oncoming traffic as well. Think of a Fire Engine coming full tit round that corner and the fright you'd get. Why risk points/fine/accident/injury when you can wait a minute for a clean and safe overtake? Chillax and enjoy the view.

I don't understand the "gotta go fast and overtake everything" attitude that some folk seem to have.

[yorkie_chris]

Fire engines don't hold that much corner speed
Plus I don't trust anything to protect me from cars ESPECIALLY road markings. The docile blind tossers ignore "give way" and "stop" lines. All you have is your wits!


Smooth and fast progress, overtake where it is safe. Everything else is detail. Whether you are smug git with no points or whatever...

Originally Posted by Nelson

I don't understand the "gotta go fast and overtake everything" attitude that some folk seem to have.

I don't understand why you think that attitude applies to my case or to that of Phil's. I don't think that I have to overtake everything but where it is safe and reasonable to do so I will overtake. As a general rule I do not overtake on solid lines and I certainly would not have done were the lines solid when I began the manoeuvre.

As for the safety part, I would be more than confident in saying that should a car have appeared coming around the impending corner at 80mph I would have had plenty time to move out of the way and not inconvenience any of the vehicles around me. You seem to have made the assumption that I was riding like a man possessed, I cannot work out why? I was 'chillaxed'!

There was me thinking it was only my missus that gets off speeding tickets!