pay cut

Well I'm with the op on this one, presumably they want you to drive the van back after finishing at 4pm, well in that case you are working and should be paid for it, either that or you arrive and leave from the office every day, but know they don't like that cos it costs them, so they want you to do the work but not pay you, not, not pay at a reduced rate ie for traveling but sfa, I'd be looking for another job pronto, if discussions are not amenable.

I certainly wouldn't be happy with that.
Where I work has recently changed our contract. I'm a home based engineer. Basically I sit at home and wait for a fault to fix, which could be between 20 miles and 300 miles from home. We are now field based and don't get paid for an hour each way. They state its to fall in line with office based colleagues. I don't see how they can stop paying you at 4, when you can be several hours from home. Have they offered toil, or can you use the travel hours as time off in lieu?

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[Bri w]

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

Just remember we are all in this together and your bosses will be taking a haircut just like you are.In my experience those who have most always lead by example and would not ask their poorer compatriots to make sacrifices which they would not make themselves.Then I woke up and stopped talking absolute sh1te.Join a union and stand together with thousands of others to defend yourself against this kind of exploitation.Employment is a battleground,and you need clout to avoid getting walked over.

I know a boss who refuses leave at Xmas coz he has to tell his staff they have to work.

I know a boss who got his staff another £500 quid on their annual bonus and another 1.5% on their pay rise. And is currently arguing for a mid year rise coz inflation is higher than expected.

I know a boss who buys them lunch out of his own pocket as a thank you even though he could get it on expenses.

I know a boss who has paid for several holidays for employees and their families.

We're not all tw@ts

Originally Posted by aaron020873

i may of not explained the travel side of this properly, the travel is done in a company van so milage wear and tear etc is not an issue, i don't expect payment for getting to the office/yard for 7am, and likewise wouldn't expect payment for travelling home from the yard at 4pm, but fact that i could be any where in the country at 4pm when my pay stops and that i'm then expected to travel (in many cases) an unreasonable distance home in my own time with no pay makes my blood boil..... i mean would you get a job say 120 miles from home and travel it for no pay???

so you have a company van which means you have no wear and tear on your car and no fuel costs no excess insurance requirements.

you get paid on an hourly rate ( which is the same as a salaray btw its worked out on hourly rates) and you get paid 7-4.
so saying that you don't want to work the 55hrs without pay - I'm assuming then that you work a full 40hrs every single week and your full hours every day. and its not every day that you are working so far from home.

Unreasonable distance - sorry BUT if you thinks its reasonable on the works time and are happy to drive to it then you are also agreeing to the fact that you are aware of the distance and happy to drive back from that distance. if not then you have to use the tongue in your head.

The thing that you need to highlight is that if you are technically not working after 4 you are not actually insured to drive the van is if it a work van - so try that tact.

also be warned you stand together you may all go together! as for not doing your company any favours - remember they still need to a reference for you I wouldn't stop driving the van - It doesn't look too good from an employers eyes.

I'm also assuming that the meeting didn't go well seeing as there is no mention of it!

I have a mobile job and all fo the companies are clawing back the little perks there used to be around being a mobile worker. Making extra money on the travel is out these days.

I just left a job where I had to do 11 hours a day before I got travel money at standard rate. 2 hours free travel and the one hour lunch that there was never enough time to take. They also expected you to be on the client's site by 8am regardless of where it was in the country. Long long days.

Current job I do a 9 hour day before getting standard rate for travel, but the guys here used to get paid door-to-door and when the T&C's were changed they weren't happy. Ultimately they either accepted the new deal or they left. We also have trackers and fuel costs are very tightly controlled. Every mile must be logged for the tax man. My basic rate is less here, but because I'm not doing 15 hours unpaid I'm actually ahead.

[stormingjoe]

This country is F@~CKED has been for the last 10 years, our place has had paycuts in real terms for last 5 years and voluntary reductions in our pay, bottom line we have had enough, the company has made profit every year our efforts to help pay for a fleet of new vehicles, we no longer have any benefits, even pensions have gone, cost of living is high and now one of the lowest paid within the business in London area and still not got the promised new vehicles, which law has now forced their grubby hands. As been said "it's a job" which I enjoy and so does my colleagues.

Seems to me aaron you've felt a bit of a bum wrap in this thread, I for one dont disagree with the posts by Q or the ever subtle Speedplay. I do however think its been misinterprited and that infact you were just trying to establish some facts before making a more informed decision (ie to either accept it or leave).

Im not the most experianced employee in working Britain but here's a few things I've learnt:
1. Keep your mouth shut and your head down,
2. Mind your P's and Q's when with company,
3. Never confied in co-workers (they'll blow the whistle to save thier own ass).
4. If changes happen in policy - accept it ( or at least appear too while you seek work else where).
5. Give a serious review to your employer, ie are they actually a good employer is it purely the new changes which have rocked the boat or were you already looking for an excuse to leave?
6. Like speedy said, £85 less is prob still more than £65 on the doll so respect the fact your still getting paid.
7. Look at your personal expenses, do you have skysports etc which can save you £24/month if you were to scrap it making the hit only £61 - where else can you make similar savings which may ultimatly balance it all out anyway.

Finally and most importanlty, dont get sucked into complaining about employment on a public forum there will be many reading it who are far worse off than yourself and for that reason sympathy will be very hard to come by. The responses you get may leave you feeling a little battered and beaten, but thats purely the frustration of others coming out in thier words try not to take it too hard - and keep your chin up!

[Biker Biggles]

Originally Posted by Bri w

I know a boss who refuses leave at Xmas coz he has to tell his staff they have to work.

I know a boss who got his staff another £500 quid on their annual bonus and another 1.5% on their pay rise. And is currently arguing for a mid year rise coz inflation is higher than expected.

I know a boss who buys them lunch out of his own pocket as a thank you even though he could get it on expenses.

I know a boss who has paid for several holidays for employees and their families.

We're not all tw@ts

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

Just remember we are all in this together and your bosses will be taking a haircut just like you are.In my experience those who have most always lead by example and would not ask their poorer compatriots to make sacrifices which they would not make themselves.Then I woke up and stopped talking absolute sh1te.Join a union and stand together with thousands of others to defend yourself against this kind of exploitation.Employment is a battleground,and you need clout to avoid getting walked over.

Sounds like the OP doesnt work for one of the good guys though.Hence the need for some clout in the workplace warzone.Join one of the general unions like Unite and put up an organised front to the employer.It wont work a miracle,but it will stop arbitary pay cuts and bullying of individual workers who rarely meet their colleagues.

thanks owenski, finding out a few facts about my rights was the original intention of the thread, obviously pi**ed a few people off along the way though, but hey i don't take that to heart everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I agree many people are worse off than myself and my collegues but that doesn't give our boss the right to exploit us, hense the reason of targeting a large audience to see if anyone maybe more in the know about this sort of thing.
As for pay freeze's that some people have brought up, we have also not had a pay rise for 4 years which is why this is so hard to take, after all it's not just the companies cost of living that has gone up.

[Biker Biggles]

How are your bosses doing?Still driving the classy company cars and living in big houses at the expensive end of town?Still pulling salaries good enough to keep the kids at public school,the spouse in the accustomed luxury,and the servants happy?They will always look after themselves,but its up to you to take steps to look after your interests.They wont.