CBR600RR whilst SV in for service, should I change?

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by wheelnut

SV650, 1000. V Twin with massive low down grunt and engine braking compared to an IL4. You can come a cropper with this also if the surface is slaipe

Only if you think the throttle is an on-off switch

I love the SV's grunt in town, great for use in traffic where an IL4 you'd need to downshift to get the same result, my mates zx636 is (or was ) much harder work, for a small gap you'd have to downshift and rev it like buggery, where the SV is effortless. The noise is brilliant in traffic too, cars move when the exhaust is rattling their windows hehe

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Only if you think the throttle is an on-off switch

I love the SV's grunt in town, great for use in traffic where an IL4 you'd need to downshift to get the same result, my mates zx636 is (or was ) much harder work, for a small gap you'd have to downshift and rev it like buggery, where the SV is effortless. The noise is brilliant in traffic too, cars move when the exhaust is rattling their windows hehe

No, I agree with you Chris. But if a rider has only done his test on a CB500 or something and then ridden a V2 for a while, I think my post was valid especially with your contribution.

An IL4 doing 60ish in 4th or 5th gear will have little or no engine braking. where the V2 will slow down. So throttle control is still important

I dont mean that it negates the need for for proper planning, observation, or even braking. It will just feel easier on the SV.

IMO of course

[arc123]

To say the RR will get in you into trouble more than the SV is a misconception too. The RR makes it's power at well over 10k rpm, in normal road riding you spend a lot of time under 10k rpm where the SV is more punchy.

You really have to work the RR to get it to fly, it's not suddenly just gonna take off without you wanting it to.

Not sure I agree with that - What do you mean by 'normal road riding'? commuting? Then yeah, wouldn't expect to be above 10k rpm on the RR too much. However, if you mean the Sunday morning blast with mates - then above 10k rpm on the RR would be the norm. And its this type of riding that you're more likely to 'get into trouble' IMO. And for this type of riding, the SV is more likely to get you out of trouble, with the less power, and heavy engine breaking.

Originally Posted by arc123

Not sure I agree with that - What do you mean by 'normal road riding'? commuting? Then yeah, wouldn't expect to be above 10k rpm on the RR too much. However, if you mean the Sunday morning blast with mates - then above 10k rpm on the RR would be the norm. And its this type of riding that you're more likely to 'get into trouble' IMO. And for this type of riding, the SV is more likely to get you out of trouble, with the less power, and heavy engine breaking.

By 'normal road riding' i mean all types of road riding as opposed to track riding. Sure, the sunday morning blast will be using all the revs.

I don't agree that it's the bike that will 'get you into trouble'. It's the rider that gets into trouble, after all the bike is only doing what the rider tells it to. The SV will enter into a bend or fire out of a bent at the speed the rider determines just like the RR would.

I agree the RR could make a rider go faster as he will feel more confident but it's a more capable bike so it can corner and brake faster.

I'm speaking from my experience as i've owned both an SV and an RR. To me the RR was a much easier bike to ride but we are all different.

[KnightRider]

Originally Posted by Fizzy Fish

you tend to find that you're riding faster on the SS600 as the smooth power delivery and better handing reduce your perception of speed.

Can I agree and disagree at the same time.

I have just given back a K7 RR after 3 months and am now back on my SV. I have found that I tend to be riding faster on the SV in and around town without realising it. I am not sure of the reasons yet, but I think it is because the low rpm torque, and general loose feeling of the bike/engine make those speeds seem effortless. On the flip side, the RR doesn't sit well at low speed and you are therefore more aware of how fast you are going around town especially as you have to work the gearbox more.

Motorways are a completely different story. On the SV you tend to go slower as high speed is more difficult whereas the RR can find you at the license loosing speeds without you really realising it.[/quote]

[arc123]

I don't agree that it's the bike that will 'get you into trouble'.

I never said it would.

To say the RR will get in you into trouble more than the SV is a misconception too.

Fine, semantics. An inexperienced rider, riding an RR is more likely to get into trouble than an inexperienced rider on an SV, IMO, for the reasons explained in my last post.

When you say you are speaking from experience, am I correct in presuming you went from the SV to the RR?

I totally agree that a new rider can be safe on a ss600. Just my opinion that the sv can be a bit more 'forgiving' if said inexperienced rider makes an error of judgement.

[KnightRider]

Originally Posted by arc123

Fine, semantics. An inexperienced rider, riding an RR is more likely to get into trouble than an inexperienced rider on an SV, IMO, for the reasons explained in my last post.

When you say you are speaking from experience, am I correct in presuming you went from the SV to the RR?

I totally agree that a new rider can be safe on a ss600. Just my opinion that the sv can be a bit more 'forgiving' if said inexperienced rider makes an error of judgement.

I went from an SV to an RR and back again and dont think you can say that one bike is more dangerous than the other as it depends on the situation.

eg

• In and around town at low speed, the SV is more dangerous as it has more torque low down allowing fast acceleration. The engine breaking can also catch you out and make you skid the rear at low speed. The RR makes you work the gear box more and keeps you slower.
• Round fast corners the RR gives you the stability to break hard if you have overcooked it, and if you still have too much speed the RR is stable enough to give you confidence to take it round the bend and not hit the breaks.
• On motorways and when riding at speed, the RR is super dangerous as it makes you over confident and the high acceleration at 10k rpm can get you into trouble quickly.
• Overtakes can also be trouble on the RR as the powerband can hit you when you are unaware and shoot you down the road (you only make this mistake once mind).

[arc123]

I went from an SV to an RR and back again and dont think you can say that one bike is more dangerous than the other as it depends on the situation.

Agree it depends on the situation - and i'm responding to the situation posed by the original poster. This situation is going from an sv to an RR after possibly 600 miles (the first service - as stated in original post).

All of your examples I presume apply to your own skills - what you are assuming is that they will aplly to all levels of riding ability. Which I totally disagree with.

Anyway, I think we are debating the wrong aspect. I believe that somebody with little experience can (and generally will) learn more on an sv than a ss600 to begin with. I learned to be (relatively) rapid on the sv (inferior bike to the RR) before changing bikes (which i'm sure applies to all people that have gone from an sv to a more perful bike). I think changing from an sv to an rr so soon negates the opportunity to learn to ride a slower bike faster.

Originally Posted by arc123

When you say you are speaking from experience, am I correct in presuming you went from the SV to the RR?

Yep, went from an SV to an RR. I found the RR more learner friendly than the SV. It was easier to ride and felt safer on it. Each to their own I suppose, but in my opinion the RR is the better bike for inexperienced riders.

[arc123]

Yep, went from an SV to an RR. I found the RR more learner friendly than the SV. It was easier to ride and felt safer on it. Each to their own I suppose, but in my opinion the RR is the better bike for inexperienced riders.

How much experience did you get on the sv before changing? ie time and miles?