Asylum seeker hit and run

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Nah mate, as a normal Brit you'd be fined your entire worldly wealth and sent down for 15 years.

Try black yourself up with boot polish and stick a towel on your head first.

SHHHH! keep that to ya self fella, you say stuff like that and they'll have you as a racial activist and add another 6years on to your sentance.

IMHO
Kids would be better off without him,
We'd be better off without him,

Regardless of the outcome the real victim is mr Houston. Let down twice by the country he's meant to be proud of.
1 - When the scum only got 4months for commiting 4 offences, 3 of which were serious (Driving While Disqualified, Driving without Insurance, Leaving the scene and Manslaughter/death by dangerous driving).
2 - When they failed to act at the time and deport him before he produced his excuse.

What really scares me is that Mr Houston and and his family (WE ASSUME) will have been just like everyone else on here, good honest working british citizens. We all live in the belief that should anything happen to us our justice system will do the right thing, without faultering. In reality it seems YC has it more accurate, if your a British Joe Bloggs you'll feel the full force of the book. If you've come to our shores post birth then you're going to be better protected than the crown jewells.

[yorkie_chris]

Oh and then there's the West Yorks police being forced to cut 500 officers, which is fairly terrible. It means they will be too busy with paperwork when someone is stealing your car. But you, as a "normal" citizen generally within the law, knock **** out of a burglar you can guarantee they'll have plenty time to deal with it and ensure you get it worse than the guy with as many arrests as he has track marks.

500 officers gone?
We're f***ed!!!

so if I've got this right the lowlife has served 4 months in jail for the driving offence, what is the punishment for killing the young girl? Why has he been allowed to hang about for the last seven years? Was he given another identity too?

If someone is responsible for the death of another, whether on purpose or by accident its either murder or manslaughter...no?

"The 33-year-old, who did not hold a driving licence, was jailed for four months for driving while disqualified and failing to stop after an accident."

Yes he failed to stop but seeing as the girl didn't survive does that not class as manslaughter? I am barking up the wrong tree? Even if I am, I still don't get how 4 months is supposed to justify the girl's father having to switch off her life support machine hours after the hit and run, let alone him being able to go play happy families while he leaves another destroyed. This country boggles the mind sometimes

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by missyorkie_chris

If someone is responsible for the death of another, whether on purpose or by accident its either murder or manslaughter...no?

No, those have intent. An accident is different even if someone is responsible.
"Death by careless/dangerous driving" perhaps?

But then again, I haven't seen anything to suggest that he was driving carelessly or dangerously and that the young lass didn't just walk out into the road (which unfortunately happens).

[Biker Biggles]

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

No, those have intent. An accident is different even if someone is responsible.
"Death by careless/dangerous driving" perhaps?

But then again, I haven't seen anything to suggest that he was driving carelessly or dangerously and that the young lass didn't just walk out into the road (which unfortunately happens).

That may be the case but we cant allow it to get in the way of a good story

[yorkie_chris]

That said I'd still shoot the bugger, just for being a dirty savage and royally taking the p*ss.

[dizzyblonde]

Surely death by careless driving carries a larger sentence?
I'm sure people have been charged with manslaughter for dangerous driving.
Can anyone remember what that bloke got for falling asleep on the motorway whilst towing and causing that train derail? Didn't he get charged with manslaughter, or summat?

The selby train crash? i remember it but cant remember what he got.

EDIT:
From Wikipedia
Hart was tried on ten counts of causing death by dangerous driving. On 13 December 2001 he was found guilty, and sentenced to five years' imprisonment. He was released after serving half his sentence, for cooperation.

[anna]

He might well have been on the deportation list when his application was first refused. Sadly, as with a lot of these cases, you can’t deport someone without a passport. So when people show up to deport you, and you have conveniently lost your passport, there isn’t a lot they can do to you. (someone in the know might be able to elaborate on this as the details are a bit vague to me)

Yes four months for this crime seems insane, but without all the information I wouldn’t like to judge this.

I get that the victim’s family are upset, but why would they want their hurt to be spread to another innocent family, his children and wife, they were not the ones committing any crime here, and yet they should be punished for it?

Yes I get that the victim’s family are also innocent in this, but this eye for an eye thing isn’t justice either.

The other argument; if they commit a serious crime in this country they should then be deported to their home country to serve the time wouldn’t work. The justice structures are not equal across the globe, and if we started to do this other countries would demand the same, with crimes that we don’t recognise or don’t carry as high a penalty on that of the country the crime took place in. (i.e. death sentence etc) International relations wouldn’t last long if this was introduced.