pay cut

Aaron - I know you were looking for facts and still trying to see if there's anything examples I can get.
I'm Unite steward ( for my sins) and get het up about people being shafted however Ive been mgt for a long time too and get good at playing devils advocate. Everything I've posted has been used in arguments before re the stripping of T&C's
Probably not the next at putting it across at the mo (spending my days looking at botched contracts and policy changin) so apologies if its come across a little short - never intended.

And you have the right attitude for asking the question - and public forums are always good for getting the info you need.

From what I've found T&C's are the first thing to withdrawn and there is not lot you can do about it. They need to consult with you but this may be a this is what we are doing rather than what do you think about it.
any union will bargain on your behalf as a group once reocgnised, however at the mo you are all individual and its down to you to talk to the management about it.
If you have colleagues that will stick with you then great but as Owen says you don't want them stabbing you in the back when it comes doen to hard stuff.

[Bri w]

Something not mentioned in all of this is the length of your working week. It might be worth keeping a diary of your hours worked, including the travel hours. If over a 17 week period your average is over 48 hrs you can argue the point. There used to be an opt out, which you had to agree to, before you could legally work more hours. If you exceed that, you could offer to opt out but only if they offer more money.

As others have said, you need to ask the right people.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employme...ff/DG_10029426

fair point there bri, another tact worth bearing in mind, thanks.

to quedos
appology accepted
at the moment we have just had a meeting and been told of the changes that are going to take place, we were given a letter detailing the reasons why, and then exactly what they intend to do ( or take off us) about it. We all read this and then tried to take it away with us but they wanted it back as it was only a rough draft???? so i will have to see what the real copy says. i have been told that we will have 1 months notice of the changes when they take place.
In the mean time i have lined myself up an interview for this friday at another company so fingers crossed i might not have to suffer these changes. And yes i know there is prob alot of people going for the job but i have to be positive..

In that case pal, good luck in your interview

thankyou

[Dave20046]

Good luck - what is it you do by the way?

i'm a joiner dave.