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Balky001 · 07-04-05, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Carsick

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Originally Posted by leesimons

Sorry, I'm confused, he wasn't overtaking, was he?

I'm with Lee on this one.
The situation you described, while relevent, is different.
He didn't indicate for a number of possible reasons, not least of which is the fact that he probably didn't look.
If he had been overtaking the car in front, I doubt he would have indicated then, either, but if I had been in his position, with a bike behind me, then I would indicate before making a move.

But he didn't know I was behind him as when he saw me he looked surprised, after he turned and I beeped. OK, the link may be a little tenous, I'll go back to sleep

07-04-05, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Balky001

But he didn't know I was behind him as when he saw me he looked surprised, after he turned and I beeped. OK, the link may be a little tenous, I'll go back to sleep

Surely that's because he didn't look?
If you're on a straight road, I can't think of any excuses for not at least having an idea of what's behind you.

Balky001 · 07-04-05, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Carsick

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Originally Posted by Balky001

But he didn't know I was behind him as when he saw me he looked surprised, after he turned and I beeped. OK, the link may be a little tenous, I'll go back to sleep

Surely that's because he didn't look?
If you're on a straight road, I can't think of any excuses for not at least having an idea of what's behind you.

Having a look is OK, but my point is that there are times you might not see everything, and the person/bike/car/articulated lorry (OK, maybe not the lorry) may benefit from your signal. It's small percentages, but someone you might not see may be affected by you for instance, if you go from 1st to second lane on a motorway whilst someone is going 3rd to 2nd lane, you can move at the same time and the other rider/driver may not be apparent to you as they are two lanes away and slightly back.

07-04-05, 12:38 PM

A motorway is a different situation, there is a possibility of people coming from the other side.

If you're overtaking on a normal road, one lane each direction, then there are 4 types of people to worry about; people behind, people in front, people turning onto the road from the right, people turning onto the road from the left.

If you feel the need to indicate to the people coming out of the junction on your right, then you're a nutter on so many levels. Not generally safe to overtake there.

People on the left, not a great deal of point in indicating to them, if it is safe for you to overtake (dubious) then the indication won't benefit them, because they won't be able to pull out, anyway.

People behind, you need to check they're not going to overtake, if they can realistically get in your way quick enough to cause a problem (a bike, for example), then indicate, if not, then it doesn't really matter.

People in front, there are 2 times when an indication would be useful to them, if they're about to turn right (you probably shouldn't be overtaking anyway) or if they're about to overtake. If they don't look before overtaking then what use was your indicator and if they do look? You're often already alongside them by the time it's flashed.

Ok, these aren't hard and fast rules by any means, but I think they cover most of the bases.

ophic · 07-04-05, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Carsick

A motorway is a different situation, there is a possibility of people coming from the other side.

If you're overtaking on a normal road, one lane each direction, then there are 4 types of people to worry about; people behind, people in front, people turning onto the road from the right, people turning onto the road from the left.

If you feel the need to indicate to the people coming out of the junction on your right, then you're a nutter on so many levels. Not generally safe to overtake there.

People on the left, not a great deal of point in indicating to them, if it is safe for you to overtake (dubious) then the indication won't benefit them, because they won't be able to pull out, anyway.

People behind, you need to check they're not going to overtake, if they can realistically get in your way quick enough to cause a problem (a bike, for example), then indicate, if not, then it doesn't really matter.

People in front, there are 2 times when an indication would be useful to them, if they're about to turn right (you probably shouldn't be overtaking anyway) or if they're about to overtake. If they don't look before overtaking then what use was your indicator and if they do look? You're often already alongside them by the time it's flashed.

Ok, these aren't hard and fast rules by any means, but I think they cover most of the bases.

so why not just save yourself the decision making effort and indicate anyway? You've got enough to worry about without wondering if you should indicate or not. If you have to think about indicating, you're doing something wrong. It should be automatic and done before just about every maneuver. If you have to make a split second decision and don't have time to indicate, then its also very likely that you haven't had time to do your observations properly, and therefore would be better off waiting for another opportunity.

07-04-05, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ophic

so why not just save yourself the decision making effort and indicate anyway?

Ok, will shorten what I said before.
The only people an indication is realistically going to be useful to is those behind you. Generally speaking if there is anybody at all behind, I will indicate. My decision on whether to indicate or not is part of the decision on whether to overtake or not.

ophic · 07-04-05, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Carsick

The only people an indication is realistically going to be useful to is those behind you. Generally speaking if there is anybody at all behind, I will indicate. My decision on whether to indicate or not is part of the decision on whether to overtake or not.

Which is fine as long as you're always aware of what is behind you. Which you should be. Just doesn't allow much for any mistakes in judgement.

07-04-05, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ophic

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Originally Posted by Carsick

The only people an indication is realistically going to be useful to is those behind you. Generally speaking if there is anybody at all behind, I will indicate. My decision on whether to indicate or not is part of the decision on whether to overtake or not.

Which is fine as long as you're always aware of what is behind you. Which you should be. Just doesn't allow much for any mistakes in judgement.

Maybe so, but if I wasn't sure I knew what was behind me, I wouldn't feel comfortable in making overtakes.

07-04-05, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by burner

I just imagined that a lot of those GSXR/CBR/R pilots were BMW drivers during the week and were applying their usual rules.....

You're making assumtions, and we all know what "assume" did......

2 Reasons not to signal before you overtake

1. By the time I signal I'll be past you (Make progress!0
2. If I signal you may just pull into my path anyway (the BMW/Merc driver syndrome ?).

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07-04-05, 04:34 PM

Say whatever you want, in the eyes of the law you're nicked anyway.
I'm looking for safe places to pass, in the desperate rush to get past me the race rep pilots will cross solid lines and over blind rises.
I'm picking my spots and passing anyway, it's amusing to watch the cages brake hard and shake their heads as they get cut up in front of me.

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07-04-05, 12:38 PM	#44
Carsick Guest Posts: n/a	A motorway is a different situation, there is a possibility of people coming from the other side. If you're overtaking on a normal road, one lane each direction, then there are 4 types of people to worry about; people behind, people in front, people turning onto the road from the right, people turning onto the road from the left. If you feel the need to indicate to the people coming out of the junction on your right, then you're a nutter on so many levels. Not generally safe to overtake there. People on the left, not a great deal of point in indicating to them, if it is safe for you to overtake (dubious) then the indication won't benefit them, because they won't be able to pull out, anyway. People behind, you need to check they're not going to overtake, if they can realistically get in your way quick enough to cause a problem (a bike, for example), then indicate, if not, then it doesn't really matter. People in front, there are 2 times when an indication would be useful to them, if they're about to turn right (you probably shouldn't be overtaking anyway) or if they're about to overtake. If they don't look before overtaking then what use was your indicator and if they do look? You're often already alongside them by the time it's flashed. Ok, these aren't hard and fast rules by any means, but I think they cover most of the bases.

07-04-05, 04:34 PM	#50
BURNER Guest Posts: n/a	Say whatever you want, in the eyes of the law you're nicked anyway. I'm looking for safe places to pass, in the desperate rush to get past me the race rep pilots will cross solid lines and over blind rises. I'm picking my spots and passing anyway, it's amusing to watch the cages brake hard and shake their heads as they get cut up in front of me.