Flitering accident from U Turning car (youtube)

[Dave20046]

Aye I had the same. If you watch the rider atleast his reactions are pretty fast...nothing he could do about it though He rolled over it the pillion seemed to flip which looked painful.

Yeah as a pillion you get catapulted a bit more I'd imagine.

Originally Posted by fizzwheel

Yep, outside lane full of idiots, all travelling at 60 - 65 mph and lanes 1 and 2 completely free of traffic.

As far as I know I think you can undertake if your lane is flowing better than the outside one for whatever reason (if someone could check this that would be great), which means if that's right you can undertake if the outside lane is doing <70MPH

Originally Posted by ThEGr33k

As far as I know I think you can undertake if your lane is flowing better than the outside one for whatever reason (if someone could check this that would be great), which means if that's right you can undertake if the outside lane is doing <70MPH

Wrong.

You can undertake if you are in the inside lane which is for left turn only and the other lanes are for straight ahead.

[Mej]

Originally Posted by fizzwheel

On that road you'd be waiting a fricken long time. I ride it regularly its always heaving with traffic. Its a 4 or 5 mile stretch of road, its wide and well surfaced.



Personally I reckon you'd have come off alot worse than the guy in the video did in those circumstances, I wouldnt like to ride at 60 or 70mph into the side of a Ford Focus that decided it was doing a U turn right in front of just as I was about to come level with it, Look how the focus ended up, it was parked right across both lanes, the A pillar is across the white line demarking the middle of the road, the bonnet is out in the opposite carrigeway.

You might have hit the wing and gone over the bonnet using your technique and you'd have been going alot faster.


Edit - heres a screen grab of where the focus was when it finally stopped moving forward, look where the cats eyes are that are marking the middle of the road and then look at how much of the car is in the opposite carrigeway...






I dont think there was anything that much wrong with what he was doing, he was out wide when the traffic allowed and going up the middle when the opposite lane wasnt clear, look how he approached that roundabout when it went two lanes into one, he didnt barge down the middle of the traffic he sat and waited. So he IMHO was clearly thinking about what he was doing. He wasnt doing an inappropriate speed either, he was matching sensibly the speed of the traffic around him.

Filtering is always a risk, the only way to avoid risk is not to filter and I'm not going to sit in a big queue of traffic.

+1 i ride this road often and i would not wait in traffic at that end as the road is long and wide and you generally have a good view of what is goint on ahead.

[21QUEST]

Originally Posted by New Leaf

Hmm think I'm going to be a bit outspoken on this one.

Yes the car driver is a total tit and possibly 100% at fault in terms of the law.

But, as a biker you have to accept if you 'filter' that close to cars you are going to get hurt. He is far to close too the cars he is overtaking; most of the time he is going past them in the same lane - not even using the cross hatches.

Every time you ride between two lanes of traffic you are taking a risk, and its you (and your pillion) that might get hurt. Its all very well blaming the car but he is wrapped up in a steel box and not likely to get hurt.

I only go 3 abreast if both lanes of traffic are traveling very slowly. In a situation like that when the oncoming traffic is traveling at a reasonable pace, then i would be tucked well into my lane, waiting for a gap in the oncoming traffic, then blasting past as many cars i can every time there is a gap in the oncoming traffic, but i would only overtake right in the middle of the opposite lane where I can see whats going on, and away from u-turning idiots.

In my opinion if you go past cars allowing next to know room like the guy in the vid, then its just a matter of time before some tw&t pulls out and knocks you off.

Okay, I'm going to be frank here and say, your post reads like a load of nonsense. Car drivers fault ...end off.

I really get cheesed off reading posts like this. How long have you been riding?

It's this sort of reasoning and thinking that leads to people not accepting blame in an accident/and always looking for a 50/50 settlement.

All the car driver had to do was move slightly over to the right(after checking his mirrors ), stop and make sure all was clear before performing the maneuver. How many seconds did he save by swinging over to the left and then trying to do his superfast U-turn?



Ben

...nice orange Exige btw...

IMO their right in saying it's the car drivers fault as doing a U turn there is stupid but the guy should of

1. Had more care and filtered a bit slower with pillion
2. Noticed the car pulling into the left
3. thought to himself why is there a gap in the traffic appearing

[21QUEST]

Originally Posted by thefallenangel

IMO their right in saying it's the car drivers fault as doing a U turn there is stupid but the guy should of

1. Had more care and filtered a bit slower with pillion
2. Noticed the car pulling into the left
3. thought to himself why is there a gap in the traffic appearing

Agree with your last two points but disagree on the first. From what I saw on the vid, he was filtering carefully enough and arguable, even too slow.

As you rightly said, his observation was frankly, terrible but that's an aside.



Ben

Originally Posted by BigApe

Wrong.

You can undertake if you are in the inside lane which is for left turn only and the other lanes are for straight ahead.

Wrong, TheGr33k was indeed correct.


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Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAn...code/DG_069862