Chinese execution

[Spiderman]

i just wanna add



and in case you're wondering what he means...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-AfOhyn_S4

[timwilky]

Don't worry Ed, your views on capital punishment are well known and I am sure some threads are deliberately posted to bait you. Obviously those who succeed must be masters of their art.


As I previously posted, I do not agree with the death sentence. But I also believe every state has the right to uphold their own laws. We know that Asia has to liberal eyed westerners some draconian laws. Anyone visiting most Asian countries are greeted by notices stating drug smuggling is punishable by death. I am therefore not surprised given the ammount of heroin that this guy was carrying that China carried out this execution.

This one act sends a message round the world to anyone thinking about emulation this guys stupidity that the risk is too great. Mission accomplished for the sake of little britain protesting.

[ophic]

Originally Posted by Milky Bar Kid

Just because some of us are Christian, doesn't mean the whole world should be!!

I'm gonna pick up on this one. It's kinda fundamental to Christianity (and most other religions) that they are right and everyone else is wrong, and Christianity promotes the saving (converting) of others.

So yes, if you are a Christian then you should believe that the whole world should be Christian.

Am coming out of retirement to answer this priceless bit of carp:

Originally Posted by ophic

I'm gonna pick up on this one. It's kinda fundamental to Christianity (and most other religions) that they are right and everyone else is wrong, and Christianity promotes the saving (converting) of others.

So yes, if you are a Christian then you should believe that the whole world should be Christian.

********, my liege.

I was asked by one poster, peabrain I think it was, to explain why I believe executing people to be fundamentally wrong. So I said that it is based on Christian principles. Peabrain obviously found this offensive or amusing in some way, he decided to ignore my request to explain. I have no problem or embarrassment in saying that I am a Christian, whether on here or anwhere else. I generally dont comment on it though because in the past I have found that it stirs up a hornets nest and I know to leave it alone. But I dont try to convert the Jews either.

And for MBK, I know several Chinese Christians.

I believe that they do have official religion in China - called The Communist Party.

[ophic]

Originally Posted by Ed

Am coming out of retirement to answer this priceless bit of carp

Slagging a statement without stating why? Not your usual style, Ed.

[Balky001]

Christianity is a recognised religion in China but of course the Government is officially atheist. There are many Christians in China but unlike the West religion does not help form policy which may or may not be a good thing.

Going back to an earlier point, the evidence of whether he'd smuggled before, there was no evidence either way or whether he would have done it again had he got away with it. It's a shame our courts put such emphasis on whether someone has been 'caught' before rather than the specific details of the crime in question. Punitive sentencing is not right but a liberal system gives the wrong impression (and motivation) to all criminals hence why the UK has our useless court system (battering burgulars is a serious offence apparently!).

The Chinese Goverment and judicial system has little compassion or empathy of why someone has broken a law, they just pursue law breakers (unless Communist party offical no doubt and I'm sure they also pursue non-law breakers for political reasons but this is about non-political law breaking) but from their point of view they come down hard and whilst some may get hurt unfairly the vast majority are within a the Chinese communist parties opinion of a safe and controlled enviroment, protected by strong laws and keeping law-abiding citizens from the scourge. I don't necessarily agree with Chinese policy but is ours better overall? We seem to have a nation of victims because the bullies get away with it.

Originally Posted by ophic

Slagging a statement without stating why? Not your usual style, Ed.

Indeed not. So please read the rest of what I posetd, it explains the earlier comment.

I feel no need to go round saving people, as you put it. If that makes me a bad Christian, well I can live with that

Is there no hope for me? Am I a lost cause? Will I ever be tough enough to become one of the hanging and flogging brigade?

Friends, I sincerely trust not

Originally Posted by Ed

Claire - your earlier post is interesting and thought-provoking, I enjoyed reading (and re-reading) it.

Unlike a stupid, asinine comment on here (see post #50) which despite my best attempts has actually made me angry.

Why has it made you angry? Feel free to PM me.

I rather thought that it spoke for itself...