Asylum seeker hit and run

Originally Posted by davepreston

andreis
first that is a very well put arguement, i salute you sir
now my rebutle
this man has asked to stay in this country instead of his own, no problem
he then doesnt adhear to our laws and becomes a danger to the public
why should we have to deal with him (after he's served any sentance imposed) he's a problem to whichever country he's from why should we have to let him carry on hurting our people when he has no right to be here in the first place (birth right) and then not play by the rules
its simple you ask to stay somewhere ,if you behave you can stay ,if you dont you get kicked out

now he knew he had a family and knew if he misbehaved he could be removed, so it was his choice to risk that not ours, if he hadnt it wouldnt be an issue
you break the rules you suffer the consiquences, like if you break the law you go to jail its your choice and you put your family situation at risk knowing the possible conciquences when you comite a crime, prisoners get visitation at there own expence whats the differance betwen visiting a prison and flying ti another country

very simplified i know but im sure you all get the premise
example ,someone asks to stay in your home, they nick some of your stuff, why should you carry on letting them stay there

I know, I know.. It's just that what's really frustrating is that deporting the person is not the solution to the actual problem. It's just a temporary patch. And it will work with this one individual, shifting him to another country. But I'm pretty sure he's not the only one to be in this situation. And dealing with the problem on the basis that he wears a certain label is not solving the problem.

To respond to your question, should someone like that be in my home, I would call the persons that handle the type of problem (police in this case..probably after I do lock him out). My home simply is not equipped to deal with correcting individuals' behavior. Reducing the problem to this scale eliminates too many possibilities. As a large community, you have the resources to deal with this guy, though. And no, I don't think he should approach anyone's family anytime soon. Maybe not even his own. But that should be down to an educated person on the matter, like a shrink...

To clarify, I'm just saying that although you had the option this time to send this guy away, he's just 1 in 100 and whether you like it or not, they live among you and you should address the greater problem

[Bibio]

bear with me as i'm a bit thick but,

he come to this country as an asylum seeker during the Iraq war yes?

now i may be mistaken but hasent Iraq recently been liberated?

then if so what grounds does this person now have to seek asylum?

his country is now deemed 'safe' for Iraqi's to return so why is he still here?

he does not possess a British/European passport so he is effectively an illegal immigrant and should be dealt with as so.

[anna]

I think the grounds of these arguments are now based on guess work rather then fact. We have no idea what the grounds of asking for asylum were, we really have no facts about the hit and run.

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by Owenski

The selby train crash? i remember it but cant remember what he got.

EDIT:
From Wikipedia
Hart was tried on ten counts of causing death by dangerous driving. On 13 December 2001 he was found guilty, and sentenced to five years' imprisonment. He was released after serving half his sentence, for cooperation.

Aye thats the one

Interesting how this...
Sentencing
Conviction under section 1 [3], of the Road Traffic Act (Causing Death by Dangerous Driving) carries a mandatory disqualification. It also carries the possibility of a prison sentence of up to 14 years duration.


SO why when already disqualified or what ever it was did Mr Iraqi only get 4 months?. As for the above example in Selby, he still got far less than that fella. I know completely different scenario, but none the less, people were injured/killed etc.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by dizzyblonde

SO why when already disqualified or what ever it was did Mr Iraqi only get 4 months?. As for the above example in Selby, he still got far less than that fella. I know completely different scenario, but none the less, people were injured/killed etc.

Because the intent of your actions is a massive factor.

Falling asleep at the wheel is a situation you've obviously caused yourself directly as you have a responsibility to be in control of your vehicle.

To take another example, should you be sentenced for 14 years inside if your bike has a blowout (through invisible defect, no fault of yours) and kills a passerby?


The only thing I can see is that it could not be proven that he was driving dangerously or carelessly, maybe he was just driving along like a normal person when this kid stepped out in front of him. In terms of his driving he was completely innocent. The fact that he's a c*** with no license or insurance and a ban does not mean he was driving dangerously at that time.

Which I do agree with, what I don't agree with is the crap sentence of 4 months for such a prolific and repeat offender.

[Biker Biggles]

From my reading of the OPs link he didnt get jailed for causing death by dangerous(or careless)driving,it was for driving while disqualified and leaving the scene of an accident.Now four months is probably rather more than the normal punishment for this,rightly or wrongly.All the rest seems to be arguement around the rights and wrongs of asylum seeking which is a different issue.

[yorkie_chris]

There should definitely be something in the asylum rules which prevent anyone from remaining here if they are likely to cause threat to anyone here. I would argue that because of repeated breaches of the law that he had "p*ssed on his chips" with regards this country.

If this savage was actually in any fear for his life and thus grateful for the shelter given to him by Great Britain then I think he might actually have a bit of respect for us.

This is not the end of it - the Government has appealed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-12021243

Being a foreigner living in another country I have always felt that one has to be whiter than white in the eyes of law so as not to disrespect your host.

I can find no real reason for defending this low life individual, for me he has by his repeated ignoring of the U.K. law removed his right to live there. If he is a good partner/ Father then he should take his family with him no matter what their nationality. If they do not wish to go then tough.

I cannot ignore that poor child that was killed nor the pain and anguish suffered by her family.

In Spain often Laws do not offer sufficient penalty for crimes committed. But one that they are very strong on is if you do not offer assistance or call for assistance when witnessing a road traffic accident..it can carry up to 15 years.