Our Mother Tongue

Originally Posted by El Boccadillo

Steady on! We old geezers can't take a lot of that you know.....not without doubling the prophylactic aspirin.....

Hows Camilla El Boc?

[quote="Daimo"][quote=Beaniebike]

Originally Posted by Daimo

Sorry, talk of the subject, bad english on my part (was in a rush)..

I meant as in I know of lots of people who would love to do primary shccol teaching (i even done it for a few weeks, was quite a laugh).
Where-as
People are being more and more scared off being an upper school teacher.

LOL - fair enough! Thing is though, we actually have to face some dreadful situations in schools. There have been incidences such as kids with knives in school etc in primary as well. Very scarey. Also, we have to deal with parents who, have at times in my experience, become threatening. This is few and far between thankfully!

Originally Posted by Tara

Hows Camilla El Boc?

Hey Tara! Not personally corresponded with her of late but she did, I understand, take umbrage at the TG thread (below) and apparently is looking forward to seeing Cap'n Nemo and the lads at the TT.......

I GOT BORED OF READING ALL YOUR DRIVEL (sp?) SO HERE'S MY TUPENCE WORTH


Stop moaning, get on with it, it's old fuddy duddies (sorry mr and mrs fud )
like Mr Wilky that hold this country back

Embrace the future, who cares anyway, soon we'll all talk through programs like msn and never actually verbally communicate with each other anyway

But i do have to agree in principal, i get myself into trouble with my girlfriend because i'm always correcting her when she speaks, because i've been treated much in the same way by my family, especially my grand parents

Interestingly my gran's from durham and in recent years we've heard her slip back into more common geordie phrases that i've not heard her say before, must be a semi concious thing we all do

i think the key is to know when we are or aren't doing it, which most little scrotes nowadays (listen to me i'm only 22 ) don't realise

lynw, for once I agree with you even if your trying to drag an old thread up and derail this one. The poem you mention hangs by the kitchen door its called Children live what they learn

" If a child lives with criticism, he learns to condemn.
If a child lives hostility, he learns to fight.
If a child lives with ridicule, he learns to be shy.
If a child lives with shame, he learns to be guilty.
If a Child lives with tolerence, he learns to be patient.
If a child lives with encouragement, he learns confidence.
If a child lives with praise, he learns to appreciate.
If a child lives with fairness, he learns justice.
If a child lives with security, he learns to have faith.
If a child lives with approval, he learns to like himself.
Id a child lives with acceptance and friendship, he learns to find love in the world."

H

Tools for the job.
Language is there to move information around clearly and concisely, first and foremost. Secondarily, it can do so with an elegance that leads to good literature.

You have to be dispassionate about Language, it is a tool. It is not a badge that we wair to try and prove we are better than others. This is what tends to happen though. We tend to associate certain accents with certain educational backgrounds.

I feel that this is a massive mistake to make. In school, there were two genuinely sharp kids in my year. One was hunted down and dragged off to Oxford when they finished up, and one was swallowed by Oracle. I talked like both of them, but I know that our accent isnt highly regarded. So it goes.

The point is that, as a human, you modify how you speak to get as much information across as possible, in the shortest time. This can involve putting on Jamacan accents, talking in a snooty way, or thinking very carefully about being concise. Pretending to be something you're not annoys me. But, it is being done for a reason.

I have no fears for the English languge. Like many have said, it evolves, and this is exactly what it is meant to do. Tools for the job at hand.

I also feel this holier than though, French Uber Alles attitude some of France has is irritating and snobby. You have some room full of old french men, dictating the language to, essentially, the imigrants and young. Where in fact, these people are the boiler house for the language. You want to put French in a chained off zoo? Ok go for it. It will not stop evolving though.

Originally Posted by philipMac

I also feel this holier than though, French Uber Alles attitude some of France has is irritating and snobby. You have some room full of old french men, dictating the language to, essentially, the imigrants and young. Where in fact, these people are the boiler house for the language. You want to put French in a chained off zoo? Ok go for it. It will not stop evolving though.

amen!!!!

[northwind]

Originally Posted by philipMac

You want to put the French in a chained off zoo?

It's tempting sometimes...

Originally Posted by the_runt69

lynw, for once I agree with you even if your trying to drag an old thread up and derail this one.

Actually that wasnt what I was trying to do. It was just plain, old fashioned sarcasm. Sorry. :P

The poem you mention hangs by the kitchen door its called Children live what they learn

" If a child lives with criticism, he learns to condemn.
If a child lives hostility, he learns to fight.
If a child lives with ridicule, he learns to be shy.
If a child lives with shame, he learns to be guilty.
If a Child lives with tolerence, he learns to be patient.
If a child lives with encouragement, he learns confidence.
If a child lives with praise, he learns to appreciate.
If a child lives with fairness, he learns justice.
If a child lives with security, he learns to have faith.
If a child lives with approval, he learns to like himself.
Id a child lives with acceptance and friendship, he learns to find love in the world."

H

Thankyou for that. I do like that poem because it does hit the nail on the head pretty much.