Abortion

Originally Posted by cuffy

Just seems a bizzare(sp) thread to start, so to put it in ****wit terms.....have you got somebody pregnant?

Oh... no its nothing personal. I was just a little frustrated when i found out that someone i used to know from school recently got an abortion, in my opinion for no good enough reason. She is not in college, and she doesnt work. She is still in a relationship with her boyfriend and has a lot of support from her family (same age as my by the way). I dont think it was justified in her particular situation.

Originally Posted by Magnum

I tried to word is as unbiased as possible.
I aggree that it should have to be a mutual decision. But is the disaster great enough to justify ending the unborns life? (this can start the argument of 'when does life begin')

Life begins when you have thoughts and feelings in my opinion! The majority of abortions are carried out when it's basically a golf ball of cells or smaller...no capacity for "thoughts" or "feelings" in there methinks! This is probably why there is the upper limit of when an abortion can be done! (unless there is a danger to the mother's health!)

The world is over populated as it is so abortion is fine in my opinion; not that I agree that silly little girls can have an abortion every other month or owt!

Originally Posted by Magnum

Oh... no its nothing personal. I was just a little frustrated when i found out that someone i used to know from school recently got an abortion, in my opinion for no good enough reason. She is not in college, and she doesnt work. She is still in a relationship with her boyfriend and has a lot of support from her family (same age as my by the way). I dont think it was justified in her particular situation.

Good justification there I reckon...she doesn't have a job and babies are bloody expensive to look after and I think it's unfair for people to rely on family to support them financially to take care of a baby. Plus, who really wants another baby paid for by the government!

PS. My thoughts and opinions are often "out there" and come across rash and arogant - I'm not forcing them upon anyone and it's what I like about free speech!

Originally Posted by Magnum

Oh... no its nothing personal. I was just a little frustrated when i found out that someone i used to know from school recently got an abortion, in my opinion for no good enough reason. She is not in college, and she doesnt work. She is still in a relationship with her boyfriend and has a lot of support from her family (same age as my by the way). I dont think it was justified in her particular situation.

You might not know the full in's and outs of it, did the unborn child have a disability that would've put a strain on the relationship?
Does the mother have aspirations of having a decent career before settling down?
I've got friends that have fallen in to the latter part of the last statement and have decided to have kids later on in life when they're more financially stable and more in a mature state of mind to bring a child up.
Unless you know the full facts behind there decision you cant really prejudge.

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by Magnum

Oh... no its nothing personal. I was just a little frustrated when i found out that someone i used to know from school recently got an abortion, in my opinion for no good enough reason. She is not in college, and she doesnt work. She is still in a relationship with her boyfriend and has a lot of support from her family (same age as my by the way). I dont think it was justified in her particular situation.

but that is a reason for not having a baby. Wether she works or not, she is still at college, and a baby can and probably will put all things on hold possibly put an end to it, so she'll end up sat on her butt at home with kids wishing she was in a better place in life. Then there would be a discussion about dole dossing mums etc, who are single at a young age (just hypothetically speaking)


Its not for you to decide if it was justified, you are only somebody who knows her.

Originally Posted by dizzyblonde

but that is a reason for not having a baby. Wether she works or not, she is still at college, and a baby can and probably will put all things on hold possibly put an end to it, so she'll end up sat on her butt at home with kids wishing she was in a better place in life. Then there would be a discussion about dole dossing mums etc, who are single at a young age (just hypothetically speaking)


Its not for you to decide if it was justified, you are only somebody who knows her.

Shes not in college, thats the point im making. She has no obligations, and inifinite support from family if she actually got off her ar5e and got a job.

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by Magnum

I dont think it was justified in her particular situation.

To you maybe not, but have you talked to her, have you asked her why she did it and what her reasons were for doing it. What about her rights to make a choice or doesnt that count for anything ? You might want to take a second and try and look at things from her point of view and perhaps not be so quick to judge her maybe ?

Kids are a big commitment. I know at 17 I wouldnt have been able to be a dad, both emotionally or financially. If I'd have had a kid then it would have a miserable life, I wouldnt want to bring somebody into the world if I knew I wasnt able to cope with the responsibilities that brings. But then thats what contraception is for isnt it.

Wifey and I couldn't have kids by natural means. We adopted our daughter when she was 6 weeks old.

Her birth mother was 15. She was advised by many, I learned, to have an abortion. When I look at my beautiful little girl, and I have posted her photo on here many times, this tears my heart in two.

I don't like the idea of abortion. As Magnum says, using it as contraception is abhorrent. I do think it acceptable in cases of severe disability, rape, incest, and so on. 180,000 abortions a year (that's 550 - 600 every day) here tells me that there is a huge need for much better sex education. We need to stop being so bloody prudish about sex. We need to recognise that kids experiment, they always have and always will. We need to find ways of making sure that girls understand what can happen, and making sure that boys don't see getting their leg over as some sort of stupid conquest. And we need to make contraception easy.

A friend of one of my co-workers had an abortion. I know that she is going through hell over it.

What all this also says to me is how brave Sophie's birth mother was.

[Speedy]

I think it depends on the individual circumstances, and the only people to judge someone or people having an abortion are the ones that go through those individual situations.

Originally Posted by Ed

Wifey and I couldn't have kids by natural means. We adopted our daughter when she was 6 weeks old.

Her birth mother was 15. She was advised by many, I learned, to have an abortion. When I look at my beautiful little girl, and I have posted her photo on here many times, this tears my heart in two.



What all this also says to me is how brave Sophie's birth mother was.

Right, this is the main reason i disaggree with abortions generally. If the birth mother decided to have an abortion, Ed would not have the daughter today that he loves so much. The birth mother gave Ed and his wife a chance to have a child, and im sure there are many others in the same situation.

Ed, do you know anything about the birth mother and how she coped during/after the pregnancy? That seemed to be the main reason for people opposing the idea of giving a child away at birth.