The End For Rideouts?

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

Don't understand the logic here, but I think I've typed enough on it already.

1. No-one has to keep up when riding in a group
2. The chap in the article in MCN was allegedly doing 85mph which would normally warrant three points.
3. The chap's mates were going faster than him, allegedly up to 103mph, in order to keep up.
4. The leading chap got the same penalty as if he had been doing the same speed as the follower

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by carty

1. No-one has to keep up when riding in a group
2. The chap in the article in MCN was allegedly doing 85mph which would normally warrant three points.
3. The chap's mates were going faster than him, allegedly up to 103mph, in order to keep up.
4. The leading chap got the same penalty as if he had been doing the same speed as the follower

Its number 4's logic whihc is stupid tho. If i was leading and my mates got left behind at a couple of junctions or roundabouts but knew the way.... i'm doing a steady 70/75mph to allow them to catch up but they choose to do 100 odd to catch me quicker, and thats when the cops clock us all. yet i'm more to blame for simply having made it thru a couple of junctions that they got stuck at??
Not right if you look at it that way, is it?

Originally Posted by Spiderman

Hence why i say i dont think this ruling will amake any difference to large rideouts but may be a worrying thing for smallish groups of like minded and like paced riders.

I think you're right. There were 3 of them.

[Red Herring]

Originally Posted by Spiderman

Its number 4's logic whihc is stupid tho. If i was leading and my mates got left behind at a couple of junctions or roundabouts but knew the way.... i'm doing a steady 70/75mph to allow them to catch up but they choose to do 100 odd to catch me quicker, and thats when the cops clock us all. yet i'm more to blame for simply having made it thru a couple of junctions that they got stuck at??
Not right if you look at it that way, is it?

This isn't a case of the group being separated for any distance or length of time. The "offender" himself says it was only for some 10 seconds that he pulled ahead and the following bikes then did 103 to catch up, so the inference to the bench is that he wasn't exactly hanging around himself, although they accepted he was only actually filmed at 85mph. This also isn't a case of a spot check on their speed, they were followed for some considerable distance and there was clearly enough evidence for the bench, and the judge, to form a view on their collective speed.

[yorkie_chris]

What was the copper on/in? I'm always very suspicious of other bikes around, especially if they are quick enough to catch up or just appear out of a hedge or something.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

What was the copper on/in? I'm always very suspicious of other bikes around, especially if they are quick enough to catch up or just appear out of a hedge or something.

I agree let them past then you can make sure there not police and have fun with them after if there not.

[Red Herring]

In this particular case a silver R1. My force use a black Blade and a blue/white GSXR. Forget trying to clock them, they don't exactly wear a high viz with "Police" on the back you know. Just don't play with anyone you don't know personally, and even then be careful. If you want a trade secret unmarked bikes very rarely operate without marked support. Typical plot is to take a stretch of popular biking road and put a pair of marked bikes either end with the unmarked operating between them. They will wait up a side road/on a garage forecourt etc for a likely suspect to go past and then take off after them. If it's game on they radio ahead for the waiting pair to pull them over. The trick is to look out for the first pair...

[yorkie_chris]

Or just avoid popular biking roads. I've found a lot of the popular ones vastly overrated.

Now thats something I'd agree with - there are plenty of good roads out there (I don't think I've been to Seaways the same way twice in half a dozen attempts, for example).

The really popular ones attract the wrong sort of attention (idiots and then police), which spoils it for the rest of us.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Or just avoid popular biking roads. I've found a lot of the popular ones vastly overrated.

+1 gimme a nadgery unused B road any day. My sister lives on the A423 and I believe the stretch from Southam to Banbury is the most popular biking road in Warwickshire, but you could do the entire thing without dropping much below 100mph if traffic allowed, the corners are twisty, but wide and sweeping. Much more fun at 60mph on a tight B road.

EDIT: this is the bit of road I'm talking about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK8-fe9_LQY