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Old 18-01-07, 02:59 PM   #81
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Still not convinced.
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You didn't answer my question

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Why doesn't microtrauma cause scar tissue ? which athletically is bad because its not as elastic or as strong as regular muscle tissue ?
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tats where D.O.M.S. comes into it
Ah yes DOMS, when I started training this was caused by lactic acid, now its caused by myofibril damage (Micro Trauma) / Muscle Hypertrophy

I need evidence not unsubstantiated bodybuilder mythology !
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Old 18-01-07, 03:03 PM   #82
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latic acid is created whilst working aerobic NOT anaerobically
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Old 18-01-07, 03:10 PM   #83
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latic acid is created whilst working aerobic NOT anaerobically
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You don't get a build up of lactic acid from weight training unless you're working fast circuits with lower weights, so it wouldn't be that
Yes I know, I was using it as an example of how very little is known about muscle growth and recovery and how mythology, rumour and half truths fill in the gaps.
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Old 18-01-07, 03:14 PM   #84
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didn't bother reading after the first page....... but IMHO, i wouldn't listen to anybody that immidieatley tells you to eat x amount of protein per day - a myth that was quite readily propagated by the bodybuilding magazines (not surprising being as the supplement companies contribute a huge chunk of revenue through advertising).

Basically, you wanna put on mass - you gotta eat more. The extra protein recommended earlier, would simply be contributing to the overall calorie intake.So your idea of building up calorie intake is correct. Not eating carbs after 6 is utter b0llocks too if your trying to gain size.

A balanced diet IMHO is the correct way to acheiev anything (gain/lose/maintain weight).

I would recommend doing some reading if you are serious about your nutritional needs (and please don't go to bodybuilding forums for this).

Two books I have used are:

The Optimum Nutrition Bible http://www.amazon.co.uk/Optimum-Nutr.../dp/0749918551

and Nutrition for Serious Athletes
http://www.amazon.com/Nutrition-Seri.../dp/0880118334

Both great books.

But in general, eat a variety of fresh poultry/fish/lean meats - fresh veg and fruit. Grains/pulses, pasta/rice (wholemeal if poss). Fats are important, oily fishes such as salmon/mackerel are great for the omega oils, and tbh if your trying to gain weight the odd big mac aint gonna kill you. Try to steer clear of too much saturated, and keep well away from the trans fats. And especially, drink lots and lots of water. Try to steer clear of coffee/tea in greta quantities - bit of an acquired taste, but herbal teas are much better for you.

And as you've alreday said yourself, you wanna gain size, eat more.

Seriously, most people (including me) would kill for a metabolism that means you have to try to put on weight - enhoy it ya lucky bar-steward!
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Old 18-01-07, 03:18 PM   #85
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I'll give you that, there are lots of unknowns. However, it is widely believed to be true that most muscle growth is due to this. I don't have any studies to back it up
Like I said, never been convinced (although I agree, this is widely held as fact) of this because of the scar tissue thing I was banging on about earlier. (maybe someone can explain why this isn't a problem)

This looks interesting, although I'm not sure I'm interested enough to shell out the 30 odd dollars for the paper.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/eclkgth9nwd9ytt2/
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Old 18-01-07, 04:42 PM   #86
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I've been cycling every day. I started off doing 15 minutes each day and now I'm up to an hour a night. I'm only doing low speed high cadence work so that I can build my endurance and lung capacity up. I still have enough stamina left after 55 minutes to push hard for the last 5 which is encouraging. I'm not going out on the road, I've got a static trainer.

I've got 55 miles to cover at the end of May.
How do you find the static trainer, is it one of those turbo trainers that you use in conjunction with your own bike? Or an exercise bike?

I've been going out on the once a weekend and try to do one evening a week but must admit that it's not that appealing cycling in the dark, so have been doing a little less in the evenings.
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Old 18-01-07, 04:47 PM   #87
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How do you find the static trainer, is it one of those turbo trainers that you use in conjunction with your own bike? Or an exercise bike?

I've been going out on the once a weekend and try to do one evening a week but must admit that it's not that appealing cycling in the dark, so have been doing a little less in the evenings.
Its similar to a turbo trainer, but yep I clamp my own bike onto it. I've been plesantly surprised feel wise its just like riding on the road. Its much much much better than a normal exercise bike.

Its one of these : Linky

I dont like cycling at this time of year, cold damp and horrible. I knew I would make excuses and like those and not go out and then I wouldnt be able to make it round the route. The only trouble with the static trainer is that you dont get any cooling breeze whilst you are cycling so if you get one be prepared to sweat.
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Old 18-01-07, 04:55 PM   #88
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Yep, excuses I know!

With the evenings starting to get lighter I think I can't justify another toy, especially after spending 60 quid on lights. Also need a triathlon wetsuit for my swims and their not cheap, found out that my surfing wetsuit isn't suitable.

Cycling everynight sounds pretty dedicated, but suppose you can watch TV whilst you're doing it!
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Cycling everynight sounds pretty dedicated, but suppose you can watch TV whilst you're doing it!
Whilst my other half watches the soaps I've been in the kitchen cycling with music on I found that better that the TV although I did watch top gear the other night which was quite good

I guess it is dedicated but I wont get fit unless I keep it up. I'm raising money for chairty when I do the cycle ride. Its for a chairty thats close to my heart at the moment so the incentive is there for me to put the effort in.

I'm waiting for pay day so I can buy a new cycle computer with a heart rate monitor built in. I like gadgets etc its something that keeps my enthusiasm up, otherwise I'll get bored. I'm lucky though I only have one sport to train for.
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Old 18-01-07, 06:29 PM   #90
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because when you lift heavy you tear the muscle fibers... protein then repairs the fibres making them thicker & stronger

im crap at typing and explaining things .but this is basicly what happens
Yeay, Hovi5 we agree on something - no not the typing, the factual stuff. At last something based on fact rather than mythical fantasy

But for goodness sake forget this added protein myth you dinosaur, concentrate on your carbs!

Now look what you've done, I said I wasn't going to say anymore
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