Gears sticking after hard braking - SV650.org

01-07-06, 08:09 PM

I was testing out my braking limits on the front and back the other day, just to get a feel for how the the brakes respond on their own but I had a problem with getting stuck in gear after braking hard on the front.

After coming to a stop in 2nd or 3rd gear, it didn't want to shift down unless I let the clutch out slightly whist pressing down on the gear lever. Is there a problem with all the fluids being flung forward under hard braking or something?
Don't know if this is something to be concerned about or not?

Oh yeah, it's on a 2001 curvy S

northwind · 01-07-06, 08:15 PM

I doubt it's to do with your braking... More that bikes don't like shifting gear while stationary- even being slightly out of adjustment can cause problems.

01-07-06, 08:26 PM

Yeah, it may need adjusting a little. Although I tried the hard braking a few times and the gear problem was consistent. Only very rarely have this problem under normal circumstances. I was woried incase the gearbox was losing lubrication or something. Wouldn't want to damage my pride and joy

northwind · 01-07-06, 08:30 PM

Does it happen if you're still moving?

01-07-06, 09:27 PM

Dunno

I'll try it again tomorrow and see what happens if I let it roll a bit.

TSM · 01-07-06, 10:46 PM

Also were you trying to change gear imediatly after braking before already applying some power or had you already applied power then decided to change gear.

02-07-06, 04:41 AM

I was effectively doing an emergency stop but only using the front brake. So after I had stopped I was trying to put it down into 1st to be ready to pull away again. I have a totally standard fork set up and there so the bike dives a bit then bounces back up once stopped

Once I had released the clutch a bit it was fine till the next time I tried the hard braking then the same thing happened again. I haven't had the problem from braking hard whilst riding without actually stopping but i'll to some more testing today and see if I can narrow it down.

02-07-06, 07:23 AM

Even if you are doing an emergency stop, you would pull in the clutch at the last moment though

02-07-06, 08:04 AM

Not unusual as you are using engine braking as well as wheel braking and letting the clutch out a tad to drop down the box is normal practice.The gear seems to mesh/lock in harder while under braking. I have had this on my SV,Kawasaki and Triumph so it appears a common trait on any if not most bikes and not worth worrying about

02-07-06, 03:47 PM

I have found it easier to be in the wrong gear on my SV because it pulls away from any gear due to the torque. When I have had other bikes, you just can't get that kind of thing wrong. Therefore I have found myself in a similar situation, if it wasn't for the neutral light I wouldn't know where I was sometimes when I have stopped at the lights.
And especially if I have braked hard, the gears do require a blip on the throttle and a bit of clutch to get them moving. I would suspect it is a normal feature of bike gears.

01-07-06, 08:09 PM	#1
Yarodia Guest Posts: n/a	Gears sticking after hard braking I was testing out my braking limits on the front and back the other day, just to get a feel for how the the brakes respond on their own but I had a problem with getting stuck in gear after braking hard on the front. After coming to a stop in 2nd or 3rd gear, it didn't want to shift down unless I let the clutch out slightly whist pressing down on the gear lever. Is there a problem with all the fluids being flung forward under hard braking or something? Don't know if this is something to be concerned about or not? Oh yeah, it's on a 2001 curvy S

01-07-06, 08:15 PM	#2
northwind Moderator Mega Poster Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In the garage where I belong Posts: 17,083	I doubt it's to do with your braking... More that bikes don't like shifting gear while stationary- even being slightly out of adjustment can cause problems. __________________ "We are the angry mob, we read the papers every day We like what we like, we hate what we hate But we're oh so easily swayed"

01-07-06, 08:30 PM	#4
northwind Moderator Mega Poster Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In the garage where I belong Posts: 17,083	Does it happen if you're still moving? __________________ "We are the angry mob, we read the papers every day We like what we like, we hate what we hate But we're oh so easily swayed"

01-07-06, 10:46 PM	#6
TSM The Sick Man Mega Poster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Peckham.SE.LDN Posts: 4,768	Also were you trying to change gear imediatly after braking before already applying some power or had you already applied power then decided to change gear. __________________ OTR: KTM 690 Duke R 2015 Full Akro SIDELINE: Kwak ZX636 A1P 2002, Red, R&G's, Yoshi, Double Bubble Screen GONE: Kwak ZX-7R P1, Full Akro, Undertray, Screen GONE: SV650S K2 Very Bruised & Without Fairing, Motovation Frame Sliders, R&G Ally Sprocket Toe Protector, HEL 2 Line Setup, GSXR K1 600 RWU Forks, Barnett Clutch & Springs, Penske 8981 Shock, Gilles Ti Rearsets, Steel Barends, Scottoiler, AFAM Chain & Sprockets, Twin FIAMM Horns, Skidmarx Bellypan, Full Micron Zeta Steel System, Cut down undertay. Forum Problems & Information / Site Suggestions

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01-07-06, 08:26 PM	#3
Yarodia Guest Posts: n/a	Yeah, it may need adjusting a little. Although I tried the hard braking a few times and the gear problem was consistent. Only very rarely have this problem under normal circumstances. I was woried incase the gearbox was losing lubrication or something. Wouldn't want to damage my pride and joy

01-07-06, 09:27 PM	#5
Yarodia Guest Posts: n/a	Dunno I'll try it again tomorrow and see what happens if I let it roll a bit.

02-07-06, 04:41 AM	#7
Yarodia Guest Posts: n/a	I was effectively doing an emergency stop but only using the front brake. So after I had stopped I was trying to put it down into 1st to be ready to pull away again. I have a totally standard fork set up and there so the bike dives a bit then bounces back up once stopped Once I had released the clutch a bit it was fine till the next time I tried the hard braking then the same thing happened again. I haven't had the problem from braking hard whilst riding without actually stopping but i'll to some more testing today and see if I can narrow it down.

02-07-06, 07:23 AM	#8
wheelnut Guest Posts: n/a	Even if you are doing an emergency stop, you would pull in the clutch at the last moment though

02-07-06, 08:04 AM	#9
Dicky Ticker Guest Posts: n/a	Not unusual as you are using engine braking as well as wheel braking and letting the clutch out a tad to drop down the box is normal practice.The gear seems to mesh/lock in harder while under braking. I have had this on my SV,Kawasaki and Triumph so it appears a common trait on any if not most bikes and not worth worrying about

02-07-06, 03:47 PM	#10
muddycoffee Guest Posts: n/a	I have found it easier to be in the wrong gear on my SV because it pulls away from any gear due to the torque. When I have had other bikes, you just can't get that kind of thing wrong. Therefore I have found myself in a similar situation, if it wasn't for the neutral light I wouldn't know where I was sometimes when I have stopped at the lights. And especially if I have braked hard, the gears do require a blip on the throttle and a bit of clutch to get them moving. I would suspect it is a normal feature of bike gears.