Bikes Vs Cars?
 

Right, recently at work i have been having debates on what is better faster, cars or bikes, this is anything from braking, accelerating and cornering. They all think that a bike is only better in a straight line due to its insane power to weight ratio, but i keep telling them that this is not so. Excluding f1 cars cause they are stupid fast, cars such as ferraris and lambos will not beat a bike round alot of tracks.

So basically i wanted to create this thread to get all you views of what you believe is better and for you to post evidence supporting both cars and bikes and we see who is faster. Such as lap times, o-60s, 0-100-0, 100-0s etc etc

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lambos and bikes. is Joe around

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Depends who is riding, who is driving and where.

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I'm going to pick Nurburgring lap times as an illustration. For the 20.6km full lap a Radical SR8 has done 6m48, while the fastest lap on a YZF-R1 is around 7m25s. (7m10s to the gantry)

So at the extreme end of the spectrum, cars are a little faster, mostly because they can brake harder. But once you figure money into the equation things look a little different. For £20k you buy and set up an R1 to compete with cars costing ten times that much.

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Yeah sorry maybe should of been clear im on about a bike like bmw1100rr with a professional driver, against whatever fast car you want with pro driver, just from evidence i seen on youtube etc.

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How can u use nurburg? Didnt think they let bikes around except for in tourist time where it has speed limits on parts of the track

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like DT said, depends who's driving it.

I've yet to see someone driving a "sporty" car drive it well, they can never set the corners up properly.

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Driven hard a car is superior in all but acceleration, that said we are talking v-expensive cars, on a track with pro's at the control of both I (IMO) think that cars have it won. However on the public highway bikes have it, that being said yesterday on the M3 I was in my car when a bike came barreling up behind me flashing his light to get me out the way, so (naughty I know) I put my foot down, he stayed with me till 130ish then dropped back and ave up totally, so in short, very much down to what and driven/ridden by who.

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Im smashed and i still check the forum
If i can beat a lambo 33bhp then anythingnos possible ;)

Even in a sv650 vs Subaru on the twisty stuff with equal rider/driver. The car will out handle the bike fact.

The bikes got the stopping power as well as the acceleration but can't handle public roads as well as a car.

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A standard BMW 1000RR will trash any car in the same price bracket, but put it up against something exotic like a Gumpert or a Porsche GT2 driven by a professional driver and it depends on the driver and circuit layout.

If you need evidence from YouTube, the 7m10 lap of the 'ring by a modified YZF-R1 is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inc9cGasgsA

And the production SR8 lap is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbmDKZ78MOU

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Again with nurburg, that car is faster yeah but look at the bike that still beat 90% of sports cars if you look at lap times, and im not saying it to back up bike and by no means would it make him faster than the car but in the vid you seen he is not full throttle on some bots as he has other bike/cars in front of him, not saying it would make massive difference but maybe 1-2seconds

Amended for you ;-)

We've got a confessional on the date, the location and the speed you exceeded, wanna stick the exact location on the M3, time of day, your registration plate, full name, and address on the internet too?



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depends where it is being driven and what bike v what car. Is it a tight technical road, or a wide open power section?
Are you comparing price, specific output, performance figures?

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I'm going to talk about superbikes and supercars.... Bikes accelerate faster to around 160 (with exception to the Bugatti where a BMW S1000RR loses after 140mph) but then a car will pull away due to superior horsepower numbers (except in extreme cases weight doesn't affect topspeed, just how fast it gets there), cars brake harder, cars will have a higher top speed. Corners... OBVIOUSLY a bike will destroy a car on slalom and chicanes because of its size and agility but on a proper bend a car will pull away.

Whichever way you look at it, a car costs 10x more but is no where near 10x the performance

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Think about it! How would a prosecution based on that stand up in court?

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are you sure about the stopping power?
In the real world though with traffic lights ,other traffic and general road furniture the car doesnt have much of a chance

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I am deffinately sure about stopping power.. Agreed, it requires less force to stop a bike, however, you are limited by the endo factor....

Oh I totally agree... an average superbike rider vs an average supercar driver on the street (even a perfect sunday blast road with a steady flow of traffic) is no contest.. the bike will win every time but on a track and in the right hands a car will be a bike

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Just explain the the bike followed you till 1:30 at which point he probably went for lunch.

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Ha! True or you could wait till said rozzers knock on the door and when questioned simply say, "yes officer I did post that on the internet however you have failed to consider that I may indeed be full of sh*t!"

Thus rendering their attempt at a prosecution about a rigid as a pool cue made of rope! Proving that you can indeed say whatever you like, it is up to them to prove any wrongdoing!

Forum posts have already been used to issue NIP's that didnt result in prosecution, dropped by the CPS.

They have also been used successfully as supporting evidence in a prosecution, ie: the CCTV operator spotted the offence, or another driver witnessed it and reported it, etc, but police/CPS needed more evidence (on visordown and a hot hatch forum also).

And in the states sucessful prosecutions have already been bought based on forum posts alone.

I spent a day in court based upon nothing more than the witness accounts of two members of the public. The testimonys contradicted each other, one true, one lies, which is what made the case fall down.

If you want to post the rest of the details and I'll send a link to the authorities for you, be my guest. Lets test the system and see what happens and how far it gets?

Whatever way you cut it, posting stuff like that isnt a 'smart' move. Neither is racing other vehicles up to 130mph on a public highway.


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Calm down dear! I bet riding with you is loads of fun!

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Calm down dear.. It's only a forum !!

Which bit of my post wasnt calm? Im sitting in front of the TV on a Sunday afternoon, half way through a bottle of red. Just answering the question, I couldnt be calmer.

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I'd rather be fun than smart.

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Now that's going a little far isn't it? I imagine this is just an exaggeration to prove a point but I can relate to the poster's example.

Even if you've (proverbial) never been to 130mph, I'm sure many have felt at one time that they would like to go that fast or would like to race a car. And I think the poster was relaying the feeling of being able to do so with relative ease, before conceding to the car.

"Naughty boy, don't do it again (slap on the wrist)" is all that's needed. I'm sure the poster doesn't make a habit of it.

Back to the question, there are some very good examples of this on youtube but the most relevant is probably the F1 car versus superbike. "But its an F1 car, of course its gonna win". Well, the video explains the physics behind it all:

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You've clearly not been out with the GM!

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I understand you've forsaken your cabinet duties and transferred your unique brand of riding to Norfolk! I'm sure the GM and Cabinet are devastated. Now where are those "we're gonna miss you" posts ....

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He's not going quite yet.

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HAHA! More like glad to be rid of me!:smt081

Been offered sleeping quarters so attending GM rides will still be a regular thing, there is a small band of "nutters" in the GM and I'm glad to have been one of them!

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I'm at work, can't use the time to find the lap times, but find the world superbike, supersport and stock 1000 lap times and compare them with the fastest car series porsche cup, GT , wtcc series on the same circuits.

Not an exaggeration no, if you read it again and note the punctuation you'll see that it was posed as a question. He seemed so sure that he was perfectly safe posting that kind of info, I just asked whether he'd like some help testing his theory, and suggested a way that together we might achieve it. Unsurprisingly enough he hasn't taken me up on it.

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What info did you have in mind because Personally I'd be more concerned with posting my reg and address for other reasons than fear of prosecution.

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I was talking about you testing your theory.

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on 5th gear they put tiff in the new x-bow and a professional racer on an RC8 around a track racing and the bike won but I think that's because the track ended in a straight.

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Also the Xbow isn't that great a car...

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its the new more powerful xbow

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Ah okay, don't know anything about this one. I'd personally compare the ariel atom v8 to a bike if i could choose any car. It's the lightest car with the highest power/weight (exactly what a bike is about). You aren't going to get a fairer fight than that..

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I think you'll find I was saying what I had posted would be rather difficult to prosecute, however your slightly deranged idea of emailing a typed confession with every detail fully explained to the fuzz is a level of lunacy that I find a little hard to believe came from a brain that is actually capable of walking upright and talking at the same time. That being said you have somehow managed to log on to a laptop, find this forum and type a coherent post, so I'm going to assume you were just being grumpy.:mrgreen:

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He probably gets a man in like I do.