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Cloggsy 22-09-07 12:03 AM

A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
Alleged Incident.

An incident occurred in a supermarket recently, when the following was witnessed:

A Muslim woman dressed in a Burkha (A black gown & face mask) was standing with her shopping in a queue at the checkout. When it was her turn to be served, and as she reached the cashier, she made a loud remark about the English Flag lapel pin, which the female cashier was wearing on her blouse.

The cashier reached up and touched the pin and said, "Yes, I always wear it proudly. My son serves abroad with the forces and I wear it for him".

The Muslim woman then asked the cashier when she was going to stop bombing and killing her countrymen, explaining that she was an Iraqi.

At that point, a Gentleman standing in the queue stepped forward, and interrupted with a calm and gentle voice, and said to the Iraqi woman:
"Excuse me, but hundreds of thousands of men and women, just like this ladies son have fought and sacrificed their lives so that people just like YOU can stand here, in England, which is MY country and allow you to blatantly accuse an innocent check-out cashier of bombing YOUR countrymen".

"It is my belief that if you were allowed to be as outspoken as that in Iraq, which you claim to be YOUR country, then we wouldn't need to be fighting there today".

"However - now that you have learned how to speak out and criticise the English people who have afforded you the protection of MY country, I will gladly pay the cost of a ticket to help you pay your way back to Iraq".

"When you get there, and if you manage to survive for being as outspoken as what you are here in England, then you should be able to help straighten out the mess which YOUR Iraqi countrymen have got you into in the first place, which appears to be the reason that you have come to MY country to avoid."

Apparently the queue cheered and applauded.

the_lone_wolf 22-09-07 12:16 AM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
http://www.forumspile.com/Thread-I_l...d_is_going.jpg

btw this was posted a while back, didn't meet with the best reception;)

Alpinestarhero 22-09-07 09:05 AM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
Well, i can see the point. I dont understand people who come to england, and then belittle this great country of ours. We give imigrants every help they ask for. Yet some are still ungratefull.

I don't agree with the war on iraq, I feel it could have been done with a bit less bloodshed...but I guess bloodshed is what you get when trigger-happy americans are also involved. But I do worry for our forces that are serving - they didnt agree to go to war, they were thrown into iraq to fight Blair's and Bush's war for oil.

This country has its flaws, but essentially, its great. I feel safe here, and I feel secure, and I am healthy here. If a little peeved with all the speed camera's and constantly repeated TV..

Matt

Keith1983 22-09-07 09:10 AM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
Chuck her out of the country! Poeple like her make me sick. It is scum like this woman that make an absolute joke of this country! I'm going to stop right now or I will offend somebody. People like this make me feel physically sick.

ASM-Forever 22-09-07 09:13 AM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alpinestarhero (Post 1294202)
Blair's and Bush's war for oil.

Such a student :p

neio79 22-09-07 09:23 AM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
Well F8cking yippie hi A, About time someone said something to these freeloading f*cks. Get the Fu*k out of my country C*nt face!!!!

A man after my own heart.

IMO a lot of the problems in the UK regarding racial tension is down to the Muslims, their extreme side and their unwillingness to intergrate with the UK.

The Indians, (seikh & Hindu) Black, and Asian (mainly Bhudists) all manage it, its only the Muslims who dont seem to beable to do it. And cause trouble wherever they go!!

Keith1983 22-09-07 09:48 AM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
I think you have missed the point fella. This isn't about wether people are Muslim, or any other religion. I have friends who are muslims and they are as much against poeople spongeing off the state as much as I am. Surely this incident is a reflection on those who are purely here for the meal ticket. Surely those people fall into the same category as those who are too lazy to get jobs and claim false benefits. This is being done by white british people aswell as those of other origins and religious beliefs. I don't think it is right to group all Muslims, Asians etc and presume the worst, the same as it isn't right to presume all white British epople are hard working and honest!

kwak zzr 22-09-07 10:02 AM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
hovis posted this a few months back and the mod's removed it.

neio79 22-09-07 10:02 AM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith1983 (Post 1294225)
I think you have missed the point fella. This isn't about wether people are Muslim, or any other religion. I have friends who are muslims and they are as much against poeople spongeing off the state as much as I am. Surely this incident is a reflection on those who are purely here for the meal ticket. Surely those people fall into the same category as those who are too lazy to get jobs and claim false benefits. This is being done by white british people aswell as those of other origins and religious beliefs. I don't think it is right to group all Muslims, Asians etc and presume the worst, the same as it isn't right to presume all white British epople are hard working and honest!

yes you are right i dont group everyone together as a whole, but look at where and who is causing most of the racial tension in the UK at the moment and its the Muslims, using such things as the war in Iraq as an excuse for it.

I hate all scronger b e them white black, yellow or red. but you dont get Seikh, Buhdist or Hindu preachers telling their flock that the wester ideal are that of infadels etc do you?

So my point stands The Muslims are causing most of the Racial tennsion in the UK at the moment.

Ceri JC 22-09-07 10:23 AM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
On a related note. Seeing as our wonderful socialist government (all hail our glorious leader Stalin MK2!) is closing all the forces hospitals, our forces personnel who are returning injured from Iraq are being treated in standard NHS hospitals. Some of them are consequently getting stick, and sometimes downright abuse off people (originally from Iraq) who are on the same wards...

Alpinestarhero 22-09-07 10:26 AM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ASM-Forever (Post 1294209)
Such a student :p

Well there was never any WMD's ;) they had to fight for something!

Matt

21QUEST 22-09-07 10:27 AM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
Sooooo let me get this straight....."alledged incident"/"Apparently the queue cheered and applauded" ehh

What a load of rubbish then if you ask me. Sounds like one of those chain wotsit designed to stir things up and of course, there are are no shortage of people who will read that and start off loading ;)

In other words, spam made for a narrow minded individual.


Ben

Filipe M. 22-09-07 12:12 PM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
... and let the silly season begin... :roll:

Blue_SV650S 22-09-07 12:36 PM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 21QUEST (Post 1294251)
Sooooo let me get this straight....."alledged incident"/"Apparently the queue cheered and applauded" ehh

What a load of rubbish then if you ask me. Sounds like one of those chain wotsit designed to stir things up and of course, there are are no shortage of people who will read that and start off loading ;)

In other words, spam made for a narrow minded individual.


Ben

That's how I read it too ... it is blatant propaganda against Muslims!! :roll:

neio79 22-09-07 12:41 PM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue_SV650S (Post 1294295)
That's how I read it too ... it is blatant propaganda against Muslims!! :roll:

Makes a change from the Extremist Muslims pushing out propaganda about the western world, or preaching in the street. If they dont like the UK or the Western world, why live here??

oh thats right its because they can sponge of the state and get rich, how about this f*ck off and blow yourselves up in a desert somewhere!!

the_lone_wolf 22-09-07 12:52 PM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by neio79 (Post 1294297)
Makes a change from the Extremist Muslims pushing out propaganda about the western world

so if "they" do it it's ok for "us" to do it as well?

does that thinking extend to suicide bombings?

:rolleyes:

philipMac 22-09-07 01:11 PM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 21QUEST (Post 1294251)
Sooooo let me get this straight....."alledged incident"/"Apparently the queue cheered and applauded" ehh

What a load of rubbish then if you ask me. Sounds like one of those chain wotsit designed to stir things up and of course, there are are no shortage of people who will read that and start off loading ;)

In other words, spam made for a narrow minded individual.


Ben

Totally agree with Ben there.
Its total bullsh1t, carefully phrased and trolled out there to illicit an extreme response.
Well done to the mod who deleted it last time.

Blue_SV650S 22-09-07 01:13 PM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by neio79 (Post 1294297)
Makes a change from the Extremist Muslims pushing out propaganda about the western world, or preaching in the street. If they dont like the UK or the Western world, why live here??

oh thats right its because they can sponge of the state and get rich, how about this f*ck off and blow yourselves up in a desert somewhere!!

But what about the poor children?? :D

I don't like the immigration problems we have, but I can also see stories like this for what they are, they are not informative or productive, they are just there to increase tension!! - Hitler himself would be proud of propaganda like that!! ;)

Keith1983 22-09-07 01:15 PM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
At the end of the day, being on a forum of this nature anything anyone writes could be untrue, exagerrated or just blatant lies. If people wish to post and see what the response is then fair play. After all nobody is forced to contribute. There are obviously no place here for extremist views, or slagging off of individuals. Other than that surely it is open season!

neio79 22-09-07 01:20 PM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
If they are stupid enough to belive extremist babble over what they are taught in school and by making their own opinion of the country they live in, then they deserve all that comes to them!! You dont bite the hand that feeds you!!

Dosent matter if its a child or not could still potentially become a suicide bomber etc (un likley but hey)

When i have been to Iraq, i have always told myself that if i happened to be on patrol, vehicle move etc, and there happened to be an ambush, and that the participents happened to be kids etc, tough titty!!

When it comes down to it, i have a life i value more than theirs and a family etc. So if its me or them they are getting the very best in 5.56mm full metal jacket aimed squarley at their forehead!! no ifs no buts.

Flamin_Squirrel 22-09-07 01:31 PM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by neio79 (Post 1294236)
So my point stands The Muslims are causing most of the Racial tennsion in the UK at the moment.

Actually you'll find it's whites who are causing the most tension, because they're allowing themselves to be whipped up into a frenzy by the media over an insignificant problem.

Your hard right wing views display a complete lack of understanding of the ideas that the 'free' western world is supposed to be all about.

neio79 22-09-07 01:34 PM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
I dont want to understand these c**t's who want to come here and declare a holy war on us!!

I have nothing against the rest of the normal Muslims, and do you not think the media have right to report things like this make us aware before it gets too out of hand??

so you think its ok for them to preach openy in the street about killing us all do you?

I make no appologies what so ever about my extreme right views on this subject!!

Flamin_Squirrel 22-09-07 01:38 PM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by neio79 (Post 1294332)
I make no appologies what so ever about my extreme right views on this subject!!

Same as extremist muslims then.

philipMac 22-09-07 01:42 PM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
neio79 man... Iraq was pretty much minding its own business, being run into the ground by a douche nozzle (who we helped put in place) and then the US and the UK just started to blow the crap out of it.

You know? Fair enough. Its not a holy war, its a war for money. I dont really think it makes it better or worse though.
Imagine yourself living in a country occupied b an extremely violent occupying force. Obviously you are going to get annoyed, and some idiots are going to start doing stupid things.


edit - haha... there's Squirrel... alright mate, I either completely agree with him, or completely disagree. Pretty funny.
He is right (in this instance ;) ). You are exactly the same as extremists anywhere if you take this super reactionary stance.

neio79 22-09-07 01:42 PM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
Kind of yes, i am extreme on my views against the extremists and what to do with them, not the normal happpy to get along with Muslims. I do not hold a grudge agains them at all.

Un like the extremists who just want Cristian's Jews and other religiond wiped off the face of the earth for nothing more than mot beliving in Allah and the Prophet Mohammed.

Keith1983 22-09-07 01:44 PM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
Surely what most people are trying to say is that people who slag off the country shouldn't be here and that they don't like spongers who scrounge off the state and the tax payer. While I wholeheartedly agree with that, surely we are united against terrorism. I think it is important to remember that whilst all terrorists seem to be Muslims, not all Muslims are terrorists.

neio79 22-09-07 01:46 PM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by philipMac (Post 1294335)
neio79 man... Iraq was pretty much minding its own business, being run into the ground by a douche nozzle (who we helped put in place) and then the US and the UK just started to blow the crap out of it.

You know? Fair enough. Its not a holy war, its a war for money. I dont really think it makes it better or worse though.
Imagine yourself living in a country occupied b an extremely violent occupying force. Obviously you are going to get annoyed, and some idiots are going to start doing stupid things.


Yes i never said i agreed with it,The opposite actually and the same in Afgan.

I belive being in those two places has a lot to do with the recent rise in extreme muslims. However i have to go(i chose to serve the crown and will go where i am told) now and then and if sent my point was if it was me or someone else in a who is going to die first situation then i dont care who it is, if i can i will kill them first.

wouldent you?

neio79 22-09-07 01:47 PM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith1983 (Post 1294337)
. I think it is important to remember that whilst all terrorists seem to be Muslims, not all Muslims are terrorists.

Agreed, i never said any differently.

its like saying all the irish were IRA.

philipMac 22-09-07 01:51 PM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by neio79 (Post 1294340)

its like saying all the irish were IRA.


CHUCKYAIRLAW

Razor 22-09-07 02:26 PM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by philipMac (Post 1294343)
CHUCKYAIRLAW

Googled that but couldn't fuind anything... What's it mean. PM me if it's rude :D

Anyway, Iraq was all about oil Alan Greenspan sez so...

I don't agree with us being there, but I support the troops and the job they're doing. More so in Afghanistan!

I think the incident is bollix, urban myth stuff designed to wind folk up.

I'd like to see the end of racist shyte on here please. It's bad enough I get it stuffed through my letterbox without having to read it on here.

neio79 22-09-07 02:29 PM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Razor (Post 1294362)
Googled that but couldn't fuind anything... What's it mean. PM me if it's rude :D

.

Its an old chant the IRA use to say, dont know what it mens though.

Spiderman 22-09-07 03:03 PM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cloggsy (Post 1294116)
At that point, a Gentleman standing in the queue stepped forward, and interrupted with a calm and gentle voice, and said to the Iraqi woman:
"Excuse me, but hundreds of thousands of men and women, just like this ladies son have fought and sacrificed their lives so that people just like YOU can stand here, in England, which is MY country and allow you to blatantly accuse an innocent check-out cashier of bombing YOUR countrymen".

"It is my belief that if you were allowed to be as outspoken as that in Iraq, which you claim to be YOUR country, then we wouldn't need to be fighting there today".

"However - now that you have learned how to speak out and criticise the English people who have afforded you the protection of MY country, I will gladly pay the cost of a ticket to help you pay your way back to Iraq".

"When you get there, and if you manage to survive for being as outspoken as what you are here in England, then you should be able to help straighten out the mess which YOUR Iraqi countrymen have got you into in the first place, which appears to be the reason that you have come to MY country to avoid."

Apparently the queue cheered and applauded.

So at this point there was also a journo with a tape recorder, or the cashier was very good at shorthand, and all of his comments were recorded so perfectly.
Yeh gotta be true :roll:

How people can beleve this sort of trash and not realise that whoever wrote it is simply pushing their buttons is just beyond me. :roll:

Also anyone who thinks that the invasion of a soverign state without approval from the UN is anything other than a ploy for the control of oil and gas fields is beyond me.

It does amaze me how often these war mongers have moved the goal posts on this invasion....yet thru skilfull media manipulation (including the above rubbish) they have dragged the majority of the country along behind them and got them to believe the lies they spew.

Anyone remeber that this was a "pre-emptive strike against a country that can deliver WMD to our country in less tha 45 mins" story that started this all off?
Followed by Colin Powell sitting in the UN with a vial of what he claimed was anthrax* and giving a very impressive Powerpoint presentation complete with graphics of "mobile germ labs" and the loctions of the sites housing the WMD.
Followed by "Saddam needed to be removed cos he was a bad man"
Followed by "a war on state sponspored terror"
Followed by "spreading freedom to the oppressed masses"

*If that really was anthrax then just who the hell does he think he is taking something so dangerous to a conference attended by some of the most powerful people in the world? Who gave him that right to take such a risk? And if it wasnt Anthrax then its just further proof of how big the charade was and how well it was planned to fool the guilible and scared public.

Razor 22-09-07 03:12 PM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
When it comes to terrorism, I'm with Mos Def and his most eloquent explanation.
Watch video

neio79 22-09-07 04:03 PM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiderman (Post 1294374)
So at this point there was also a journo with a tape recorder, or the cashier was very good at shorthand, and all of his comments were recorded so perfectly.
Yeh gotta be true :roll:

How people can beleve this sort of trash and not realise that whoever wrote it is simply pushing their buttons is just beyond me. :roll:

Also anyone who thinks that the invasion of a soverign state without approval from the UN is anything other than a ploy for the control of oil and gas fields is beyond me.

It does amaze me how often these war mongers have moved the goal posts on this invasion....yet thru skilfull media manipulation (including the above rubbish) they have dragged the majority of the country along behind them and got them to believe the lies they spew.

Anyone remeber that this was a "pre-emptive strike against a country that can deliver WMD to our country in less tha 45 mins" story that started this all off?
Followed by Colin Powell sitting in the UN with a vial of what he claimed was anthrax* and giving a very impressive Powerpoint presentation complete with graphics of "mobile germ labs" and the loctions of the sites housing the WMD.
Followed by "Saddam needed to be removed cos he was a bad man"
Followed by "a war on state sponspored terror"
Followed by "spreading freedom to the oppressed masses"

*If that really was anthrax then just who the hell does he think he is taking something so dangerous to a conference attended by some of the most powerful people in the world? Who gave him that right to take such a risk? And if it wasnt Anthrax then its just further proof of how big the charade was and how well it was planned to fool the guilible and scared public.


every one knows it was a ploy to get oil, or whatever and that Iraq did not harbour terroists or WMD.

I for one never supported it nor do a lot of the UK forces, and we would all rather just pul out for good.

It had nothing to do wit hit and it is not in the UK's interests to be there. Well unless you include being told to by the USA one of our interests!!

leemole 22-09-07 07:01 PM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by neio79 (Post 1294332)
I dont want to understand these c**t's who want to come here and declare a holy war on us!!

I have nothing against the rest of the normal Muslims, and do you not think the media have right to report things like this make us aware before it gets too out of hand??

so you think its ok for them to preach openy in the street about killing us all do you?

I make no appologies what so ever about my extreme right views on this subject!!


+1

Biker Biggles 22-09-07 07:08 PM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
Well Cloggsy said it would be a bit contraversial
:cool::cool::cool::cool:

plowsie 23-09-07 02:20 AM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Nz7NhoWUy7I how do you like that apple?

philipMac 23-09-07 05:00 PM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Razor (Post 1294362)
Googled that but couldn't fuind anything... What's it mean. PM me if it's rude :D

Anyway, Iraq was all about oil Alan Greenspan sez so...

I don't agree with us being there, but I support the troops and the job they're doing. More so in Afghanistan!

I think the incident is bollix, urban myth stuff designed to wind folk up.

I'd like to see the end of racist shyte on here please. It's bad enough I get it stuffed through my letterbox without having to read it on here.

Yeah, its a IRA thing.
I was just ripping the p1ss, when neio79 said not all Irish were Ra heads I had to...
Its a very dated old thing that they would say, now it's basically said as a joke in Ireland, and since this thread is a just a load of the same old bulsh1t tired rhetoric you hear over and over.

Its really Tiocfaidh ár lá, it means our day will come.

I translated it to "English" anyway, so it wont google. And I wanted to make sure you Englishers do your IRA chants properly.

philipMac 23-09-07 05:07 PM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by plowsie (Post 1294650)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Nz7NhoWUy7I how do you like that apple?


Bring it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=05LsRr6tv40

northwind 23-09-07 05:19 PM

Re: A bit controversial maybe? What do you think?
 
It tells you something I think- that they had to invent this incident in place of any real ones. D-


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