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Clutchless gearchange benefit
I'm not sure if this is an actual benefit, or just percieved, but still.
Following from purchasing new boots last weekend, my riding has changed a little :) Basically, clutchless changes (both up and down) are now a LOT smoother. It literally feels as if I have an auto gearbox fitted to the SV, and it's just so much more of a pleasure to ride! Anyhow, the benefit. Because I'm clutchless shifting (especially down, which has always troubled me), I'm also braking less, and letting the engine take more of the work, which at least FEELS like I'm carrying more speed around corners. GREAT! :D Just thought I'd share my happiness, and yes, I know that changing down without the clutch & not being smooth can cause damage to the bike (and me), but by god it sounds nice! |
Clutchless down-shifting :shock:
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:shock: Baph, clutchless downshifting will destroy your gearbox in no time, certainly quicker if the revs are higher. Slipper clutches allow downshifting without matching revs but I'd still use the clutch.
You'll end up with a gearbox full of teeth of your lucky, unlucky you'll have a broken tooth land in the remaining gears and lock it solid, very risky. |
I refer you both to this thread.
So long as you do it right, apparently it's not that bad. I'm not forcing the lever at all, and the bike isn't jerky. 100% smooth. |
Bike gear boxes are constant mesh, always have a gear engaged (exept nuetral), the clutch allows the output shaft to freewheel letting the gears change without the stress of driving the bike. By changing up without a clutch, you back off the throttle and hence ease the stresses between the gears so an up shift can be done without damage if the backing off the throttle and geer change are done as one.
I don't think its the same thing in reverse on a change down (can't spin up a shaft thats in constant mesh without the other shaft reacting). Anyway it's not my gearbox and I'll not do it on the downshift. Probably not going to try and get it right. My choice I guess. I'm happy to be proven wrong though. Times, understanding and gearbox technology must have changed a lot if this is the case. Well thats my two bobs worth. |
A thought remaining on this:
***IF*** I do ruin the gearbox, would it be apparent, after stripping it, that this has been caused by clutchless shifting? If it's not apparent, the only thing I should loose ***IF*** my gearbox goes down the pan, is time on the bike. I'm 8000miles into a 2 year unlimited milage warranty. Yes, I know that unlimited never really means unlimited, but you can bet that I'd talk to a solicitor over a warranty dispute rather than pay then & get the bike fixed, then argue the toss. |
Here's something written by somebody who's opinion I trust...
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I actually started doing the "fastest change" to go up the box, but naturally, this moved to the "lazy change". My downshifts this morning were all "lazy changes."
Only that I was squeezing the throttle slightly to go down, VERY slightly mind, then once in gear, dump the throttle to allow engine braking to take place. There was also a few times where I changed down (without the clutch) then accellerated around a car etc. I think I'm going to try riding as I did on the way into the office this morning, only using the clutch to change gear down, and see if I'm as smooth, and if I carry as much corner speed. Can't hurt to try new things :) |
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Whichever way, carefull as it may take you by surprise. |
You learn somethin new every day. Nothing in the hanbook about using the clutch apart from pulling away. I bow to the beings of superior knowledge and interlect, so thats everyone here then.
Back to my nap. :lol: |
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