link to bike accident near Plymouth on A38 - SV650.org

Stingo · 06-09-06, 06:11 PM

You might be interested in this...caution though...cctv of a bike accident on the A38...makes interesting reading.

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06-09-06, 06:27 PM

Wow. Took people long enough to get to him.

Glad he's OK though.

06-09-06, 06:50 PM

I gotta say, from what is available on that video, the biker was completly at fault. Pulling in in front of a vehicle with his anchors on. What other result was there going to be?

Good quote though

Mr Hortop said: “The protective clothing saved my life.
“I came away with a few bruises, a bad knee, thigh and hip and badly bruised left hip – but that was all.
“I would say to all motorcycle riders – you must wear full protective clothing.”

21QUEST · 06-09-06, 07:02 PM

Really lucky to be alive but I disagree about the biker being completely at fault.

He appears to have done an overtake and pulling into the inside lane. Granted he wasn't exactly on the ball the car driver has to take the blame.

Cheers
Ben

06-09-06, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 21QUEST

Really lucky to be alive but I disagree about the biker being completely at fault.

He appears to have done an overtake and pulling into the inside lane. Granted he wasn't exactly on the ball the car driver has to take the blame.

Cheers
Ben

How so

He is pulling in with his anchors on right in front of the car. What was the car driver supposed to do

06-09-06, 07:08 PM

I agree, it looks like the car was going faster than the bike whilst the bike pulled infront. but is it the bikers fault, or the car drivers? I want to have a rant about something I know I do aswell as others.

I feel the problem is the speed cameras and roadside police, people passing the police car are looking so much at thier speedo that they cant pay enough attention to the road. yet these are supposed to prevent accidents?

TSM · 06-09-06, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigApe

I gotta say, from what is available on that video, the biker was completly at fault. Pulling in in front of a vehicle with his anchors on. What other result was there going to be?

Good quote though

Mr Hortop said: “The protective clothing saved my life.
“I came away with a few bruises, a bad knee, thigh and hip and badly bruised left hip – but that was all.
“I would say to all motorcycle riders – you must wear full protective clothing.”

Watching the video in slowmo, looks like he possably did. What i found odd though was that the hazard lights were already on before the car hit the bike (its possable its a new feature in some cars when emergency braking).

Now some peeps might not like this but here is some caps. Remember that UK frame rate is 25fps, watch the top right of image and you see how quickly everything happens.

06-09-06, 07:19 PM

THis is what annoyed/ ammused me slightly

"I was actually driving behind the bike when the accident happened. Although rather an unfortunate incident, the motorbike was also travelling at high speeds and undertaking various cars in the lead up to this accident. Maybe motorcycle riders should be reminded that it is illegal to undertake another vehicle. This video highlights how dangerous it can be for all roadusers, and how it is foolish to weave through traffic."

If Mrs here was behind the accident, and if the motorcyclist was weaving, undertaking and travelling at high speed, how come the motorcycist is still just in front of her when the accident happens ?

As for th accident itself looks like Mr Biker has misjudged the speed and distance of the car (or the car has speeded up as he has moved over).
Probablycould have been avoided if both parties where concentrating on the road a bit more

****EDIT*****
I am assuming that he is overtaking the car, as Caddy points out below you can't actually see if he is or was just over to the right of his lane.

06-09-06, 07:21 PM

The biggest problem here is that you cannot see enough of his manouver to tell whether he was overtaking or just liked to take a more central position on the dual carridgeway.....

..... Either way, very odd for an IAM rider....

Jury's out on this one, but I'd like to see the police report especailly as the CPS didn't go for driving without due care (either that or Essex CPS hates bikers!!)

Still KNOW YOUR LIMITS!!!!

Red ones · 06-09-06, 07:36 PM

Interesting.

My interpretation was that the white car pulls out from the lay-by. The red car brakes to avoid it. DOes this mean that he bike then slowed to avoid and pull over to the hard shoulder and got rear-ended?

06-09-06, 06:11 PM	#1
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06-09-06, 06:27 PM	#2
CheekyLemon Guest Posts: n/a	Wow. Took people long enough to get to him. Glad he's OK though.

06-09-06, 06:50 PM	#3
Stig Guest Posts: n/a	I gotta say, from what is available on that video, the biker was completly at fault. Pulling in in front of a vehicle with his anchors on. What other result was there going to be? Good quote though Mr Hortop said: “The protective clothing saved my life. “I came away with a few bruises, a bad knee, thigh and hip and badly bruised left hip – but that was all. “I would say to all motorcycle riders – you must wear full protective clothing.”

06-09-06, 07:08 PM	#6
on yer bike Guest Posts: n/a	I agree, it looks like the car was going faster than the bike whilst the bike pulled infront. but is it the bikers fault, or the car drivers? I want to have a rant about something I know I do aswell as others. I feel the problem is the speed cameras and roadside police, people passing the police car are looking so much at thier speedo that they cant pay enough attention to the road. yet these are supposed to prevent accidents?

06-09-06, 07:19 PM	#8
tricky Guest Posts: n/a	THis is what annoyed/ ammused me slightly "I was actually driving behind the bike when the accident happened. Although rather an unfortunate incident, the motorbike was also travelling at high speeds and undertaking various cars in the lead up to this accident. Maybe motorcycle riders should be reminded that it is illegal to undertake another vehicle. This video highlights how dangerous it can be for all roadusers, and how it is foolish to weave through traffic." If Mrs here was behind the accident, and if the motorcyclist was weaving, undertaking and travelling at high speed, how come the motorcycist is still just in front of her when the accident happens ? As for th accident itself looks like Mr Biker has misjudged the speed and distance of the car (or the car has speeded up as he has moved over). Probablycould have been avoided if both parties where concentrating on the road a bit more **EDIT*** I am assuming that he is overtaking the car, as Caddy points out below you can't actually see if he is or was just over to the right of his lane.

06-09-06, 07:21 PM	#9
Caddy2000 Guest Posts: n/a	The biggest problem here is that you cannot see enough of his manouver to tell whether he was overtaking or just liked to take a more central position on the dual carridgeway..... ..... Either way, very odd for an IAM rider.... Jury's out on this one, but I'd like to see the police report especailly as the CPS didn't go for driving without due care (either that or Essex CPS hates bikers!!) Still KNOW YOUR LIMITS!!!!

06-09-06, 07:36 PM	#10
Red ones Member Mega Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 1,422	Interesting. My interpretation was that the white car pulls out from the lay-by. The red car brakes to avoid it. DOes this mean that he bike then slowed to avoid and pull over to the hard shoulder and got rear-ended?