Shame on anyone who didn't turn out to vote

[lazymanc]

... to prevent that biggoted nob-head getting an MEP seat in the North West.

It's embarassing to think that an area with such large and successful immigrant populations in Liverpool and Manchester can end up with a nazi for our European representation.

That is all.

Originally Posted by lazymanc

... to prevent that biggoted nob-head getting an MEP seat in the North West.

It's embarassing to think that an area with such large and successful immigrant populations in Liverpool and Manchester can end up with a nazi for our European representation.

That is all.

ROFL!!!
either that is some brilliant sarcasm or you totally missed the point!

The reason they won is BECAUSE of the huge immigrant population. The immigrants cant/dont vote and the British people they've put out of work can and do vote. Same as here in Yorkshire Humber loads and loads of foreign workers therefore loads of unemployed British people with time and motive to vote.

Its not embarrasing, its a sad fact.

[flymo]

Originally Posted by leedsmatt7

The reason they won is BECAUSE of the huge immigrant population.

I find it amazing that this kind of attitude still exists. As for the BNP, it doesnt take a great deal of research to figure out what kind of organisation it really is. Its a pretty risky step to give parties like this a significant share of the vote, protesting is one thing but we need to be careful what we ask for.....we might just get it.

[lazymanc]

Abstaining from voting because you're dissatisfied with expenses-fiddling politicians or the state of the economy is a poor excuse for letting in Nick Griffin and his band of merry racists.

The BNP have won seats not because people have suddenly decided their policies are worth voting for, but because the Labour vote has collapsed in those regions. People not willing to vote Labour anymore should at least make the effort to pick their least-disliked party from the other major two to stop this kind of thing happening.

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by lazymanc

Abstaining from voting because you're dissatisfied with expenses-fiddling politicians or the state of the economy is a poor excuse for letting in Nick Griffin and his band of merry racists.

The BNP have won seats not because people have suddenly decided their policies are worth voting for, but because the Labour vote has collapsed in those regions. People not willing to vote Labour anymore should at least make the effort to pick their least-disliked party from the other major two to stop this kind of thing happening.

But the other 2 are just clones of Labour - all had noses in troughs.

Believe me I ALSO think its something to be ashamed of, having 2 Nazi's* representing our country in Europe, but Labour/Tories/LibDems are all useless copies of each other,

The main thing the BNP has done is to say that they will do what most of us want - controlled immigration, making things better for people in this country, whereas the main 3 have never been in sync with public feeling - again, whether that public feeling is right or wrong is another matter.

Still at least in Sweden that have 2 members of the Pirate Party in

* A justified use of the word Nazi, and so immune from Godwins law.

[timwilky]

Whilst I do not approve of the BNP, I am pleased that voters still have the right to put their X for them. I doubt anyone voted for them in protest at the main stream, so then the sad fact is that they have a support. We now have one of their county councillors on Lancashire county council, he representing Burnley which has a large immigrant population.

So in this region there is a groundswell of people who feel they have lost out due to immigration and see the likes of Griffin as their salvation.

If the mainstream parties feel uneasy about the BNP, they need to analyse why they are getting votes and do something about the issues that some people feel will only be resolved by them

Originally Posted by flymo

I find it amazing that this kind of attitude still exists. As for the BNP, it doesnt take a great deal of research to figure out what kind of organisation it really is. Its a pretty risky step to give parties like this a significant share of the vote, protesting is one thing but we need to be careful what we ask for.....we might just get it.

I fear you also missed my point.

Im not saying. Its because of them bar-hum-bug get back to your own country ya-da ya-da. Im saying its because a town has a large population of immigrants that dont or wont have voted, but there are still just as many britains living there who can and do vote.

I still dont think that made much sense, see if this example helps.

Town "x" provides 1000 adult jobs,
Town "x" houses 1000 adult people,
Town "x" has facilities to educate a 1000 adults children,
Town "x" has shops provide for 1000 adults and families,

Now that town has had 1000 british people, working those 1000 jobs,
Then 200 forigen workers with families come to live in harmoney in the community,
They shop in the same shops and kids go to the same schools,
Everyones going to get along and it all sounds brilliant

but its been overlooked that:
The workers have now taken 200 jobs = 200 british out of work,
Those people want to live in that town = town becomes crowded,
Their kids go to the same schools = Schools become crowded,
They shop in the same shops = Shops can up their prices.

So you've got 200 british people who've lost thier jobs, who cant afford to provide for thier families, who end up forced in to the lesser areas who then talk with conviction to their new naighbours at how terrible the forigen workers are. So out of a 1000 people you've just created 200+ definate votes for the UKIP/BNP style parties.

No convert that onto a bigger scale, and in Industrial countys like Yorkshire and Lanc's this is happening everywhere I've seen it with my own eyes.

So call me narrow minded or old fashioned but I belive its me who's been more realistic and seeing the bigger picture relating to the OP.

So the odd couple of BNP figure heads get to go to Brussells and abuse their expenses forms (MEP's don't have to provide receipts...)

Big deal.

They'll not get to do anything of any use, about all they'll do is make a lot of noise. They're in the vast majority in terms of policy, so with no friends they'll have no backing.

It might make the big 3 parties sit up & think carefully though. Sorry, even I can't take that last sentence seriously.

[timwilky]

Indeed, last night I was talking with my brother and he had a right rant about immigration. He having been unemployed since February as nobody seems to want builders around here.

He has no argument about the many thousands of hard working immigrants, who contribute to the national economy. He does have problems with those who either leach from the system and use/abuse and those who provide cheap labour under industry agreed rates to non UK companies subcontracting on major infrastructure projects. Browns British jobs for British workers became British jobs for Spanish/Polish workers etc. All quite legal under EU rules, but not in the interest of unemployed British workers.