Motorway Speed Cameras

[ophic]

Originally Posted by keith_d

1) The new motorway speed cameras are designed to be hidden, and the Highways Agency is refusing to detail where they will be located, "for operational reasons". So it's clearly no longer got anything to do with improving road safety

Not sure it's quite that clear. Whilst I think it's perhaps a tad unfair, if you know where the speed cameras are, you just slow down as you pass them, which contributes nothing to safety or speed control and actually could arguably make things more dangerous, with braking on an otherwise clear road.

Perhaps if people didn't know where the cameras are, they'd be more likely to stick to the speed limit all the time.

[maviczap]

Originally Posted by keith_d

Policing by stealth.

1) The new motorway speed cameras are designed to be hidden, and the Highways Agency is refusing to detail where they will be located, "for operational reasons". So it's clearly no longer got anything to do with improving road safety.

Its all about making money.

Plus if the speed limit is temporarily reduce, they can whack you with a huge fine.

Re Top Gear Steve Harley story

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/t...ve-pop-5044579

So it'll pay to keep to the limit

[maviczap]

Originally Posted by ophic

Not sure it's quite that clear. Whilst I think it's perhaps a tad unfair, if you know where the speed cameras are, you just slow down as you pass them, which contributes nothing to safety or speed control and actually could arguably make things more dangerous, with braking on an otherwise clear road.

Perhaps if people didn't know where the cameras are, they'd be more likely to stick to the speed limit all the time.

The new ones are painted grey

[ophic]

Originally Posted by maviczap

The new ones are painted grey

Not following. I'm arguing that they're more effective if you don't know where they are.

[maviczap]

Originally Posted by ophic

Not following. I'm arguing that they're more effective if you don't know where they are.

I understood what you were saying, but if they temporarily reduce the speed limit, which they do on the M25, and you don't know where they are & you can't see them, you could quite happily be doing the NSL and still trigger the camera & have no argument. Its these sections of the M25 with variable NSL where its going to be a problem, if you haven't seen the sign changing the NSL.

Why not just have avg speed cameras all the way round the M25 if it will make folk drive better.

[NTECUK]

apparently we have average speed cams going in along the kelverdon section of the A12

[maviczap]

And on the East Bergholt section, but TBH they are needed there

[ophic]

Originally Posted by maviczap

...if you haven't seen the sign changing the NSL...

But if you missed the sign, it wouldn't make a difference if the speed camera was visible or not as you wouldn't know what the limit was anyway.

[ophic]

Originally Posted by maviczap

Why not just have avg speed cameras all the way round the M25 if it will make folk drive better.

Probably cost. If you can get the same impact with just a few hidden cameras, which is better?

Originally Posted by ophic

But if you missed the sign, it wouldn't make a difference if the speed camera was visible or not as you wouldn't know what the limit was anyway.

Isn't that Mavs point...if you don't know otherwise you'd assume the nsl was in force, shirley