Outrageous insult to Holy Father

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Talk to my Mother about the Churches work in Africa and have a look at some pictures of the villages and the thousands of people who have a life and livelihood because of the Church and you would all be less flippant.

I look at it from the other side of the coin, and I count the bodies of those people that have been killed in the name of religion/faith, and the Catholic Church is as guilty as the rest of them.

The lord giveth, and the lord taketh away.

You and anyone else can stick religion where the sun doesn't shine.

Originally Posted by Caddy2000

Religion is a concept created by man to have control over other men

Originally Posted by Caddy2000

Not really, there is a difference between religion and belief.

Yeh I know. All I'm saying is that if its your opinion religion is man made then you can't argue with that. But if you're stating that as a fact, then it is a presumption (ie the presumpion god's fake, religion is man made, etc, etc).

I guess its the equivalent of someone saying religion stems from God. It's their opinion/belief, but just because they say so, doesn't make it fact.

[Biker Biggles]

Originally Posted by thulfi

Yeh I know. All I'm saying is that if its your opinion religion is man made then you can't argue with that. But if you're stating that as a fact, then it is a presumption (ie the presumpion god's fake, religion is man made, etc, etc).

I guess its the equivalent of someone saying religion stems from God. It's their opinion/belief, but just because they say so, doesn't make it fact.

God made the Earth in six days---Fact.I was taught it at school.
On the seventh day He rested and went for a rideout on his bike.
"The roar of his Triumph could be heard throughout the land"Fact.It says so in the Bible.

Originally Posted by Sid Squid

On the subject, can we imagine the fuss if a certain 'Eastern' religion that you allude to was the object of a little joke or two?

which one? The only eastern religion being mentioned in this thread is Christianity (well til Biker Biggles last post,).

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

God made the Earth in six days---Fact.I was taught it at school.
On the seventh day He rested and went for a rideout on his bike.
"The roar of his Triumph could be heard throughout the land"Fact.It says so in the Bible.

na they're not facts til proven!
Same goes for the flip side to that argument.
No one really knows, people have their beliefs, any swooping comments by people claiming to be 'enlightend' or 'clever people who don't follow fairy tales' should be taken with a pinch of salt cos everyone stabbing at guesses.

[Biker Biggles]

Exactly.Hence the complete nonsense I said above.And all religeon suffers from the same inability to prove its claims so is essentially fairy stories.

Originally Posted by thulfi

Yeh I know. All I'm saying is that if its your opinion religion is man made then you can't argue with that. But if you're stating that as a fact, then it is a presumption (ie the presumpion god's fake, religion is man made, etc, etc).

I guess its the equivalent of someone saying religion stems from God. It's their opinion/belief, but just because they say so, doesn't make it fact.

Now you see I think you're not quite following me. Belief in god is fine, if you want to believe in a creator or a dietey that's not a problem. Man crated religion as religion is not about belief it is about scaring people into doing what they want people to do.
Man created religion out of belief, but only to further their own aims.

[Sid Squid]

Originally Posted by thulfi

which one?

Coolgirl alluded very firmly to a certain other 'faith', which she referred to as 'eastern'.

Despite those slightly confusing clues, I think I estimated correctly what she was getting at.

And no, they* don't take kindly to even the slightest bit of good natured ribbing at the expense of said 'faith'.



*'They' clearly being a rather militant minority of course.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by Caddy2000

Yep, because it's only catholic charities that have put bore holes in.
And they've done so much for health and education (using a condom will give AIDS don't you know)

The mission we are in occasional contact with actually hand out free condoms and encourage their use.
That is in Kenya, problem is african men refuse to use them.

How many mission stations are run by religious orders compared to non-religious ones I wonder. (not sarcastic there)

Originally Posted by Sid Squid

Coolgirl alluded very firmly to a certain other 'faith', which she referred to as 'eastern'.

Well coolgirls first quote was

Originally Posted by CoolGirl

I'm sure they're all incredibly thankful and humbled that western religion has shown them the error of their ways.

then I quoted her simply changing the western for eastern because Christianity is an eastern religion, that's all. I don't think there was anything more to this exchange to be honest.

Originally Posted by Caddy2000

Now you see I think you're not quite following me. Belief in god is fine, if you want to believe in a creator or a dietey that's not a problem. Man crated religion as religion is not about belief it is about scaring people into doing what they want people to do.
Man created religion out of belief, but only to further their own aims.

Yeh I see what you're trying to say, but no one really knows if some religions are man made or if they are the result of God speaking to certain prophets. For example,I don't know for a fact Jesus/Moses/Muhammad etc didn't hear things from a supernatural being and jot them down. You seem to know that man created religion out of belief and not God created religion which was followed by belief - how can you be so sure is all I'm getting at.