Disappearing posts?

Originally Posted by on yer bike

hear hear!

Hear hear - on the explict, mod related stuff.

Can we keep arguing about everything else though please? Thread creep's the reason I love this site.

God! and I thought it was us English that the Ozzy's called whinging poms.

On and the other reason its U rated is so that people can read it during there lunch break at work. Anyway, just cus in one place you seem 'rindin' and else where you don't its all down to that mod. Some of us miss things and some of us don't. The last one I modded heavy was about a well know late night activity, and the bloke still talks about it.

Oh darn, now I'm moaning... oh and yes I know I'm not from Scotland, but I do visit there and I have family up that way too.

So why do we hate the French again?

Originally Posted by stuartyboy

Kitkat - I said right from the start I never got any warning, reply or explanation.

sorreeeeee thats me put firmly back in my box - note to self dont reply to posts when you have not completely read all the crap contained therein

[Blue Flame]

OK i've been holdin my breath but im sick of this.

Originally Posted by stuartyboy

I've never met the guy or even exchanged emails with him so there's no history

This is where it all falls down for me.

You originally did the right thing. You complained about the post that you felt was unjustly deleted..........but then you get a response back that you don't like....... And because of that decide to publicly flay the moderator???

Why did you feel that you had to react in that manner ????

I have met you once Stuart and you seemed an OK guy, I have also met Cronos a number of times and he is an absolutley stand up guy. He is good company, backs you up if you are in bother and i for one do not appreciate the comments you have made on this site about him.

Please do not go about publicly putting somebody down who you have made a snap judgement about simply because one of your posts has been deleted. I am sure that I speak for a number of the "longer in the tooth" members of this site when I make these comments.

Originally Posted by stuartyboy

Hopefully we can put this to rest and move on in good spirits.

And i hope you can.... but i see nothin in the posts that shows any sort of regret for the way you have treated the original target of this post who given the position he is in has not got the luxury of being able to respond to this apparant vitriolic attack.

I am not a person that posts particularily often on this site. I tend to lurk more than i post but I have seen a disturbing series of posts recently on 'SV Ecosse' (My idea that name by the way.... ha) and i hope its just the 'silly season' There is too much anger.

And, by the way, all this Nationalistic crap that has been spouted in this post just makes us Scots look like a bunch of whingers. Get a life this is a biking site and not an SNP forum.

Goodnight and godbless x x x

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

Can we keep arguing about everything else though please? Thread creep's the reason I love this site.

OK then - Leaving origins aside and drawing a line for the moment (very loosely) within the 'Medieval' period, it's interesting to find that much of the Scottish driven aggrivation was not purely based on self-rule and independance... but on also rule of the English too.
Whereas during a similar period the Welsh had no further aspirations that maintainence and recognition for their own line of succession.

Lets face it - if Llewellyn had bitten the bullet and gone on bended knee to the crown there is a distinct possibility that Wales would have not only retained a 'Native Prince' - but also be in a far stronger position to have built on its status as a Principality that could, in all likelyhood, have meant self-rule (or a far greater level of it) by now.

So coming back to the motivation behind such 'National Pride' - some could say that for the Welsh there is a purer basis for motive than for the Scottish - who were far more subjected to the political games of others, with aspirations beyond Scottish independance.

Did such stoking of the fire lead to the seemingly greater vocality of the Scots... given that, predominently, the Welsh answer was to quietly change the road signs and retain a different language in their schools.

Originally Posted by Blue Flame

And, by the way, all this Nationalistic crap that has been spouted in this post just makes us Scots look like a bunch of whingers. Get a life this is a biking site and not an SNP forum.

Not having a go at you in particular Blue Flame, so please don't take it that way, I've just used your post to quote something, because you just happen to be the last person to have repeated it.

And I'm not referring to rest of your thread at all either, whatever my opinion over whether Stuartyboy has has acted badly or not, I'm not going to post it on a public forum. If Stuartyboy chooses to ask my opinion one day in the pub I'll tell him face to face. Personally I hope the whole Cronos thing is not mentioned again, people posting opinions about it only serves to keep an ugly argument (which Cronos has to read and moderate!) alive.

A couple of have now mentioned in this post that the nationalism is crap. One mans crap is another mans pride. We have to be a bit tolerant of other peoples opinions, don't shoot those opinions down, especially on emotive issues, and understand that different people feel differently about things. For me the nationalism is not crap, a lot of people feel that it's an important part of thier identity.



A couple of folk have also said that this is a biking site. Does that mean that we're only allowed to discuss bikes and biking? Can't we discuss the SNP, or Scottish history, or the latest film at the cinema, if thats what takes our fancy? If those folk are not interested, move on to the next thread and let those that want ot chat get on with it. I've quite a few biking mates, because bikes is what brings us together, but life would be pretty boring if thats all we ever talked about. Does anybody else feel that we should only be discussing bikes on here? If so please say so, the forum belongs to it's members and if the majority prefer to keep it to biking I'll oblige.

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by stuartyboy

I seem to have sparked a debate - rightly or wrongly. I've been extremely stressed and touchy recently because of my Dad's illness but at the end of the day I'm here for bike chat and banter with the good mates i've met.

Hopefully we can put this to rest and move on in good spirits.

Debate is all good if you ask me. I've found before when threads like this have happened in Idle Banter, its better to get everything out in the open rather than try and stifle this kind of conversation otherwise resentment / trouble just builds up even more and more.

I agree, time to put it to rest and move on. I don't think this particular issue is ever going to resolve itself properly. Especially with Cronos not being here to defend himself. I think theres some lessons here for everybody on both sides of the fence to learn perhaps ?

As I've said before, think before you post, what you might think is OK, other people might find offensive. Thats all we're asking for some thought and a little common sense to be exercised.

Originally Posted by K

OK then - Leaving origins aside and drawing a line for the moment (very loosely) within the 'Medieval' period, it's interesting to find that much of the Scottish driven aggrivation was not purely based on self-rule and independance... but on also rule of the English too.
Whereas during a similar period the Welsh had no further aspirations that maintainence and recognition for their own line of succession.

Lets face it - if Llewellyn had bitten the bullet and gone on bended knee to the crown there is a distinct possibility that Wales would have not only retained a 'Native Prince' - but also be in a far stronger position to have built on its status as a Principality that could, in all likelyhood, have meant self-rule (or a far greater level of it) by now.

So coming back to the motivation behind such 'National Pride' - some could say that for the Welsh there is a purer basis for motive than for the Scottish - who were far more subjected to the political games of others, with aspirations beyond Scottish independance.

Did such stoking of the fire lead to the seemingly greater vocality of the Scots... given that, predominently, the Welsh answer was to quietly change the road signs and retain a different language in their schools.

Your loosing me a bit now with the Medieval stuff and Llewellyn. Good points well made though. The Welsh were closer to London and easier to cause trouble for logistically. The Welsh have done well to maintain thier identity quietly through the back door, and perhaps we should have done the same, but its just not in the Scots character to do things quietly.

It's a character I am proud of, if there's one thing I hate it's two faced'ness and unspoken resentment, which doesn't tend to happen so much in Scotland thanks to the strong, unreserved, character of the people. It does lead more reserved nations to think we are brash troublemakers, but I think it means internally we all get on together better. Having moved 31 times in my 31 years, and spent 8 months of the year in England and 4 months in Scotland all my life (hence this screwed up half English RAF kid style accent of mine that the rest of my family love taking the **** out of!), I see clear difference in the culture and the people (comparing neighbors, friends, etc). Of couse this is generalistic and doesn't apply to everyone, but I think it is in the main true and not simply a stereotyping exercise.

I think you are absolutely right that the rule of the English had a lot to do with the development of that character.

Originally Posted by Grinch

I thought it was us English that the Ozzy's called whinging poms.

You're right, it is.

Originally Posted by Grinch

So why do we hate the French again?

They let Hitler walk into Paris without firing a shot and tried to blame us?

Originally Posted by Blue Flame

I am not a person that posts particularily often on this site. I tend to lurk more than i post but

but every now and again I'll jump in at 3 o'clock in the morning, insult some people and go to bed...

Originally Posted by Blue Flame;1140611I

'SV Ecosse' (My idea that name by the way.... ha)

Cracking idea! I like it, reminds me of the stickers people put on their cars for trips to Europe, you know, so foreign peeps know they're not English

Originally Posted by Blue Flame;1140611I

And, by the way, all this Nationalistic crap that has been spouted in this post just makes us Scots look like a bunch of whingers. Get a life

Get a life? Seriously? That's your way of taking the anger out of the thread? Put that down to the bevvy I think and no offence taken.

And for the record I have also lived in England - Newcastle, Yorkshire, Southampton, Sussex, Cornwall - all over the shop and they are lovely, lovely people (when they're not winning at rugby) and I adore them as a nation, but they are different from us. That's cool by the way, be a dull old forum if everybody was the same

[Blue Flame]

3AM or 5PM it makes no odds to me.

This is I think another example of where written words do not necessarily convey the message in the spirit in which it was intended.

I think and I hope that the main point of my post about a desire for me not to read negative posts about other members of this site has been understood. I don't have any axes to grind with anybody. Harmony is all I wanna see.

The "Get a life" reference was not meant to be insulting. I have no issues with anybody talking about other subject matters than biking I simply was trying to imply (not probably very well i admit) that the way some of the points have been raised looks (to me) like it is 'whinging'.

Prob why I don't post that often so i'll scurry back down that hole i came from.