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Ooh Noes... ![]() I can't stand the sight of blood, gore, bullet wounds and carnage. It reminds me of living in Plymouth! ![]() |
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See, you talk geek and everyone goes off topic...
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Mind you, is there really that much difference between cowardice and not wanting to be blown up, shot in half, sprayed with mustard gas, Blinded by shrapnel, caught in barbed wire, evaporated by nuclear inferno or made to spray the contents of the bad guy opposite, across the locality? I find war absolutely revolting, the process of a bullet entering someone, rupturing organs, ripping holes in flesh and spraying blood into lungs to me is so horrifying I had little choice but declare myself to be a pacifist while I was still a child. My Dad was serving in BAOR at the time, he was so disappointed in me I think! ![]() The thing I remember most from his army days is the big packet he carried with him. "What is that Dad?" I asked in all innocence. "Oh that, it is my bullet wound bandage for when some big scary Russian guy tries to blow great big holes in Daddy, with an AK47." ![]() Laugh, I nearly cried! ![]() |
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I'd sign up and fight
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I like the quote:
"those who would give up liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" If there's nothing in the world worth risking your life for then whats worth living for? Pacifism, the avoidance of warfare at any cost makes you pretty much a sheep... what would you do if confronted by a violent situation? Sure don't look for a fight, but that's different to not doing what's right when the need presents itself. |
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Chris, search me out at the AR. I'll buy you a beer.
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"If any question why we died, tell them, 'because our fathers lied'" - to quote Kipling |
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![]() ![]() In defence of pacifism as an ideal I'd say that you're looking at a short term viewpoint. Look at Indian independence and South African democracy - both are fights that were ideologically pacifist. Note that I'm not claiming that the "winning" sides were entirely non-violent by any means but their ideology was peaceful protest. Hell, even WW2 can be significantly blamed upon the military defeat of the German/Austro-Hungarian empires in WW1 - Germany was arguably made a victim of "victor's justice" in WW1 such that it gave the opportunity for Hitler to play upon this sense of injustice and rise to power and subsequently initiate WW2. A pacifist approach may have been a negotiated settlement of WW1 rather than miltary domination and (perceived in Germany) humiliation, thus potentially saving millions of lives in WW2. I'll confess, I'm not wholy aligned to a pacifist ideology, although for the purposes of this forum I'll happily call myself a "tree hugging hippy" ![]() |
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