i cried last night

Originally Posted by cuffy

It's ****ing scum like that which deserve to be tortured then hung.

I offer my services.....

[Luckypants]

Originally Posted by neillfergie

You're both correct it was Hitler. The point though is a simple one, if we shake our heads in disgust nothing will ever change as we are becoming more and more apathetic with each passing year.

The government will trundle on unless we actually make it known that things need to change in our society. We are spiralling downwards into chaos in the UK and this is driving some people to move towards a more extreme viewpoint on how to deal with it.

After yesterday reminding us of the horrors of the first and second world wars (and other ones since) where millions died to secure our freedom it sad to see how some people decide to use their freedom, however, we must never forget that its impossible to legislate to stop abuse, it will come from education and opportunity.

Branding people as scumbags and marginalizing them will only make things worse in this country. We have leaned from similar cases in history.


Ps. im sorry if im derailing this thread slightly but its important that we direct our frustrations in the correct ways to make any difference.

I agree that we need to take action to make sure those in government / power realise we 'the people' do care and do think. Hence my post urging people to write to those in power.

However, branding these child torturers as scumbags and margilising them is the very least they deserve. Long drop, short rope gets my vote for this type of crime. (I also like YC's blow-torch idea, but then we stoop to their level)

it makes me f*cking sick that someone/anyone can do anything like this to a child - kill the B&stards in return...............

[timwilky]

I can only echo the sentiments of every one else here. It is a tragedy that this happened. There have obviously been failing by a number of different organisations and there will have to be yet another point & blame inquiry.

Everyone is quick to point the finger. It should have never happened. But it did.

We hear the horror that it was not prevented despite 60 visits. But we do not know the substance of the visits. We do not know what support/assistance the parents were offered. We do not know what plans social services et al had in place. We do not know what was required to trigger a visit, to escalate into care orders etc.

Of course there will be wringing of hands, changes to policy and some poor scapegoat being disciplined. I for one would hope that things do change, that social services become an organisation that puts the vulnerable first and gives up protecting their own ****. That will only ever happen when we stop blaming and start learning.

[yorkie_chris]

Not even in return, revenge is fairly pointless. It's just cheapest way.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by timwilky

That will only ever happen when we stop blaming and start learning.

Come on Tim be reasonable... How many no-win no-fee briefs would that attitude put out of work...

Apparently social workers involved have been given written warnings but probably won't lose their jobs. There might be a public enquiry though.

[yorkie_chris]

Otherwise known as frantically-looking-for-a-scapegoat

I sort of agree with Tim. I have a friend who works in social services, and from what I can ascertain, things have to get horrific before they can take the kids away and even heavy suggestions that it's going to get horrific are not enough. I'd like to see more power granted to the social services in this respect and then once they had these powers, there would be vastly more culpability for failing to protect people in this type of situation.

Originally Posted by Luckypants

I agree that we need to take action to make sure those in government / power realise we 'the people' do care and do think. Hence my post urging people to write to those in power.

However, branding these child torturers as scumbags and margilising them is the very least they deserve. Long drop, short rope gets my vote for this type of crime. (I also like YC's blow-torch idea, but then we stoop to their level)

Violence can't solve violence, I wish it was that simple.

Apathy can's solve it either though . . . .

wish the answer was simpler but it always comes back to the upbringing of those involved and more often than not the role models they had or have.

they have outlawed smacking kids these days but unless you are supernanny its difficult to discipline some kids without. I was quite unruly as a boy and was always pushing the boundary to see what i could get away with. Smacking to me meant i had overstepped it. Simple. Diddn't happen often but i learned.

Im proud to say i have personally never resorted to physical violence in any situation so it didn't make me a violent person.

Some children though have terrible upbringings and this moulds them into terrible adults and parents. This is the root cause, This is what needs adressed. Its too late to punish them after the act, normal people dont think "ill not beat that child up, i might get hung" they just dont think about it at all. . . .