Hard nosed b*stard

Originally Posted by Stu

Running a business is about taking risks - including the risk that the people you employ might not be able to come to work. It is a contract of employment, not payment for hours worked.

Stu, you are joking, surely. Contarcts are two way things. people should make every effort to come to work. If they genuinely can't, then there needs to be a discussion. But why should it automatically be the employer's loss? It isn't the employer's fault that the employee can't get there.

at the end of the day youre paid to work, if you cant work within your contracted hours then its either holiday, sick leave or unpaid IMO

Originally Posted by Stu

What an absolute **** you would make as a boss. Running a business is about taking risks - including the risk that the people you employ might not be able to come to work. It is a contract of employment, not payment for hours worked.

Running a business is about making money.

Not about being a typical UK charity case. A business is not a nursary, people need to accept responsibility.

UK employees get enough laws, benefits and rules to aid them and their jobs. If you don't turn up, don't whinge about not being paid.

Another reason to employ foriegners. They will work, be thankfull for the job, and not moan like an English person.

Why should an entire business have to suffer over 1 or 2 people? Creates a bad atmosphere. Those who came in, did so for no reason, whilst the people sat on their backsides at home, get away with a free day off.

Nope, sorry, they want to stay at home, they should be deducted. Its not the companies problem they cannot get into work. Its their problem.

Originally Posted by Ed

Quick update. Person came in and hardly spoke to me for the day. Well I don't care. I have sent a message that I will not tolerate this sort of thing - everyone else made an effort and got in. I think the real issue was that person had to pay the £7 bus fare. There was a suggestion that I should pay, swiftly rebuffed.

Jesus. That'taking the ****, can't believe they expected you to cough up.

[the_lone_wolf]

Just got an email through from our MD saying any time taken off due to snow can be put down as a special circumstance and there'll be no need to take leave or sacrifice pay

funnily enough everyone tried to get to work or worked from home if they could, wonder if that has anything to do with my employer's excellent relationship with it's employees and not acting like an all powerful tw*t when it comes to letting insignificant things like this slide?...

Originally Posted by the_lone_wolf

funnily enough everyone tried to get to work or worked from home if they could, wonder if that has anything to do with my employer's excellent relationship with it's employees and not acting like an all powerful tw*t when it comes to letting insignificant things like this slide?...

TLW, I didn't recruit these people - it was a TUPE transfer. The outgoing bloke didn't tell them anything until we walked in the door. I have stopped it being a holiday club and I have made it plain that I expect performance, and as a result they hate me. Well I have broad shoulders. It is not insignificant - whether an employee comes to work, as Daimo says, is important. Everyone else got off their ar$e so why shouldn't she. And as it took her just over an hour to come into work on the bus, the words 'lead' and 'swinging' come to mind.

[the_lone_wolf]

Originally Posted by Ed

And as it took her just over an hour to come into work on the bus, the words 'lead' and 'swinging' come to mind.

I wasn't saying this was the outcome of your case, if this person truly was taking the mick then that's not right

but the thread seems to have degenerated into a generic one about handling time off work, and personally i think not greeting your employees back from a day off due to nasty driving conditions (even if they might have made it by sliding all over the place and taking several times longer than usual) with a demand for leave or docked pay is a step in the marathon of getting your employees feeling more inclined to work hard when you need them to...

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Ed

Stu, you are joking, surely. Contarcts are two way things. people should make every effort to come to work. If they genuinely can't, then there needs to be a discussion. But why should it automatically be the employer's loss? It isn't the employer's fault that the employee can't get there.

First off, not joking.
Second off, I'm talking about genuinely can't get to work i.e. The Police had closed the main road and there were no trains running (this was my situation - in your employee's case where the buses were running, then that's just a case of the employee lying so deal with him as you see fit)
Emmm...actually you've got me thinking, & I've just reread my contract which is completely silent on the matter because it is clearly not holiday & clearly not sickness, but I just think it is closer in nature to sickness i.e. you are prevented by circumstances outside your control from attending work, rather than holiday (where you choose not to attend work) therefore how would you treat genuine sickness? I hope pay the employee? but yet I would hope that it didn't count to the employee's total entitlement to sick pay (we are only allowed 5 days per year)

If it really were genuine I'd ask e'ee to take it as holiday oe else to make up the time. But I think it's a good idea to clarify with e'er - you might write and ask for a formal ruling, just so it's clear.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Ed

If it really were genuine I'd ask e'ee to take it as holiday oe else to make up the time. But I think it's a good idea to clarify with e'er - you might write and ask for a formal ruling, just so it's clear.

Sorry to go on about my situation, but I respectfully think that your situation where the e'ee made it in within 1 hr & for £7 is hardly worth further discussion.
But! I gave up trying to get to work at 11:30 & it took me another hour 'n a half to get back home, I hardly think that that is comparable to a relaxing holiday nicely planned in advance - I get precious few of those as it is at the legal min.

Holidays are supposed to benefit the e'er too! by providing refreshed happy workers