Young people having Kids...

No jobs, 15, and pregnant and sponging entirely off of the state, or sorry, off of us working people.

Saw underage pregnant kids program and there was one family, single mother 2 kids, both pregnant at similar times, one 17 one 15. Mother got £500 off the bat to look after one of the kids gave birth. What!? None of them worked, not even the mother. Mother had a nice house, well looked nice considering they dont work!!!

Then there was another one, a spoilt little brat, parents actually seemed allright. Boy friend 20 (GF just 16 and about to have Kid...) didnt have a job. Had the Kid and they were planning on moving out of their parents house. They were shown "Just looking through the paperwork for a house". The way they were talking about it was as though they had some sort of right to it...

To be honest it made me sick. We work most of our life and get fleased for tax, dont get looked after at all (look at the pension thing atm), and these youths that have done nothing but take; come along and get everything for nothing and no doubt never will give anything! Makes my Blood boil!

Oh and as a last point, apparently 34% of the national spending is on Benefits!!!!!! A third. WTF!?!? (NOTE, this might not be accurate?)

Please Discuss.

[Bibio]

dont blame the kids... blame the gov..

the only way to secure benefits and get a house off the council is to have a child... so thats what teenagers are doing.

i know it not right but most of these kids have difficulty in finding a job that that pays enough to get them on the property ladder.

even with a minimum wage job they are coming home with the same money that they would have sitting on the dole. so their attitude is why work.

you're generalising a bit arent you?

i know someone that had a child while taking her GCSEs.
for 4/5 years she was on benefits, and she HATED every moment of it. yes i know lots of people take advantage, but she was on benefits because she had no other choice, her parents worked and she couldnt get a full time job as she wanted to look after her baby daughter, so she worked nights as a chef at my work to get as much money she could and trying to get a computer qualification until the child was old enough to go to school/play group where she could get a much more permanent job to support herself.

just be aware not everyone is a leech

[Binky]

34%!!! That sounds an unrealistically high proportion of government spending.

I'll be majorly surprised if that is true. Where did you hear that?

Anyone ever seen Starship toopers? It should be like that.

Grace, I know not everyone does have a kid to take advantage of the system. I wasnt really saying that was the case, Id didnt sound like that was the case with these two children I saw. But its still the case that Im having to pay for other people's actions... Why should I have to? Its quite simple in my mind. You shouldnt have a kid if you cant afford it.

Hard line im taking I know but when I see all those taxes being taken off me and then seeing what I dont get back (pretty much nothing) it kinda gets to you...

34% is probs off the mark a bit but it'll be a fair whack. Anyways yeah it's hard to dump everyone in a group an' i wouldn't wanna judge that particular group on anything other than a case by case basis...

http://www.economicshelp.org/macroec...-spending.html



There Ya goes. Works out to 24%, sorry my bad.

Originally Posted by ThEGr33k

Its quite simple in my mind. You shouldnt have a kid if you cant afford it.

Hard line im taking I know but when I see all those taxes being taken off me and then seeing what I dont get back (pretty much nothing) it kinda gets to you...

and you think that if if everyone was banned from having kids until they could prove they could afford it tht they'd lower taxes? lol

although admittedly it would hopefully go to a better cause than kids who just couldnt be bothered to use a condom - but maybe they should be taught? i wasnt ever taught as i went to a church of england school, maybe bibio is right and the gov is partly to fault?

Originally Posted by ThEGr33k

Saw underage pregnant kids program ...

I would imagine this is biased. With a demand for 'car crash' TV, I doubt they woulkd commission a documentary following teenage pregnanvies where everything worked out out, parents held regular jobs and the only thing which separates them is their age. Viewing figure would be terrible! Instead they pick a few extreme cases and then leave you thinking this is Britain!

Originally Posted by ThEGr33k

Oh and as a last point, apparently 34% of the national spending is on Benefits!!!!!! A third. WTF!?!? (NOTE, this might not be accurate?

Did you just make that up!?

Originally Posted by Graciepants

and you think that if if everyone was banned from having kids until they could prove they could afford it tht they'd lower taxes? lol

although admittedly it would hopefully go to a better cause than kids who just couldnt be bothered to use a condom - but maybe they should be taught? i wasnt ever taught as i went to a church of england school, maybe bibio is right and the gov is partly to fault?

The Government certainly isnt doing it right imo. I think there are a few major issues.

Kids are bored. So they go out drink on the street corner and have sex. The Government pays out for them to live a comfortable life when this happens. And as you say not very good education. Another might be that Kids also get away with far too much. Either because parents cant be bothered and dont care or are scared of getting in trouble for sorting the kid out.

I think the major one is no one frowns on it or cares and the people who are in the situatin blames everyone else. We cant blame the government really, its the people doing it who are to blame ultimatly. The amount of lasses on the show (there were others on for short periods) blaming the bloke was mad. Im sorry but it takes two to tango and if they cant be bothered to use contraception I cant see how they can really complain!

The First is an easy fix if the government is willing to look into it and spend money, which in the long run would save money (how often does this crop up though?). The 2nd isnt so easy... With the human rights they wont do anything about it and its their "human right" to help over populate the world apparently. Education isnt so easy. Is it better that the vast majority are oblivious to it all and a minority do have underage sex or is it better that everyone knows and gives it a go? I think thats the big issue there. The last one, well its all getting far too OTT. Anyone knows the difference between being stern and punishing, and beating/mistreating.

Ha, I never realised I was so right winged...