So then, this Griffin muppet...

[Spiderman]

tbh i think they way they treated thy guy showed a huge lack of all the things britain claims to pride itself on, freedom of speech, tolerance and an openness to debate with those of other views.

This Govt wants us to believe they are actively in "dialogue" with extremists muslims in this country to try and change their minds for example. Really? an elected MEP (whether any of us like that or not, its the case) cant even get a fair debate without being shouted down, are we really in dialogue with extremists?

i dont agree with a lot of his views but dammit the debate we've had on here regarding the rights and wrongs of the current immigration system has been far more in depth than anything they had last night.

I agree with Fizz, it really was a case of wheel him out so people can jeer at him and when the audience's blood lust is sated move on to the next topic to tear into him for.

Jack Straw is far more of a figure of hate to me than griffin is tbh. At least griffin gives his view, straw just waffles and waffles and brings in many other points that have nothing to do with the question put to him, like the pro politico he is, but thankfully Dimbleby pulled him up and made him answer the question instead of spouting irrelevant tripe...and then the smarmy git says "i already answered you". God i hate that man.

[yorkie_chris]

Wot larks eh?

Originally Posted by timwilky

The ones who want to debate a subject? Or those who use violence and political oppression just because they don't like someone's views.

The nazis rose from post WW1 poverty/unemployment. It could so easily happen here

Nah you've got it all wrong, so long as you're on the extreme left then any violence and political oppression is fine!

Look at the number of current and past people in power who have far-left extremist pasts. Not a peep from the press about that one eh? But if they find out you once had a pint with a member of the national front etc. then you're instantly crucified
I have a visceral hatred for those who wear a red star and pretend to understand that ideology with no idea of the background...

Originally Posted by Milky Bar Kid

The other problem I see with Griffin being on television is that he is DEMANDING Police protection at the studio as there is such a row and because some of the audience members are Holocaust survivors, victims of racial hate crimes, etc etc. How much is that costing us as the taxpayer? Just so he can spout a lot of rubbish?

The police protect any other MP from "right wing thugs" without a peep.

Bad move IMO though, he should have accepted any abuse. Getting a bit of a kicking from some left wing rseholes would have been a PR coup for the BNP.

Dunno who's in the background, but just hope they don't read up anything on Josef Goebbels...

Originally Posted by specialone

Dont get me wrong, there's also a lot of british here who are just freeloaders but the BNP dont mention them for some reason.
Phil

Yes but it would be incredibly foolish to alienate the inbred, barely literate council estate scum who are so easily won over as voters!

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Yes but it would be incredibly foolish to alienate the inbred, barely literate council estate folks who are so easily won over as voters!

Quite agree.

[yorkie_chris]

Notice you changed "scum" to "folks".

Never been to Halifax, have you?

Just to inject some humour into this:
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politi...-200910232162/

You lot crease me up----"Barely literate council estate folks" who were probably the working classes who served in two world wars to give this country its freedom. I come from a council estate in a mining community I am not an inbred and I would like to meet the person who has the guts to go and start shouting that in a council estate,easy to do sitting behind a keyboard
What about the police protection given to the hate preachers on the other side of the fence,racism works two ways but you seem blinkered, and only looking at it with tunnel vision. Who commit the most race/religious crimes? sorry are the white population planning bombings and flying planes into buildings.
Can you have the same freedom in Muslim countries as they have here ?

Come into the real world and at least try and see things as they are,not just the high caste who have become politicians/councilors etc. Try walking round certain areas at night of towns and cities with a large influx of foreign nationals and tell me you don't feel intimidated

[Spiderman]

good article,

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by Dicky Ticker

Try walking round certain areas at night of towns and cities with a large influx of foreign nationals and tell me you don't feel intimidated

tbh with you i feel the same way whether its a town full of Polish, Indian, Muslims, British Whites etc.

lets not forget Steven Lawrence was attacked for no good reason by a bunch of white thugs for no reason other than he was black.


Whilst on holiday in parts of Cornwall last year by bike it was very intimidating for me to pull up into little towns where almost every pub shop and house had flags hanging outside showing they were brits. You have any idea how unwelcoming that was for me? And i've been here since i was 6.

Racism works in many many ways and exists for many many reasons.

lets not get into the whole 9/11 debate here but there are a huge number of people who dont believe that ANY muslims were behind those attacks. And lets not forget the israeli company who admits to forwarded texts on the day that warned jewish employees not to go to work that day.

now whats worse in my mind is not the terrorism but the fact that someone knew of the impending attack and chose only to tell some who they thought were worthy of life and let the rest die. That is an even worse form of terrorism in my eyes.

However if it were up to me i'd take a leaf out the Frenchies handbook and ban all public displays of religion, including turbans and religious beards as well as skull caps etc. i see no reason why people should show division in such an obvious visual way, keep that for your place or religion and your home. But we are way too far gone down a different road for that to work in this country now.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by Dicky Ticker

You lot crease me up----"Barely literate council estate folks" who were probably the working classes who served in two world wars to give this country its freedom.

sorry are the white population planning bombings and flying planes into buildings.

Can you have the same freedom in Muslim countries as they have here?

You make some good points.

BUT look at the BNP supporters from Mixenden estate just down the road from me, inbred, retarded chavs who voted BNP because "the pakis get loads more stuff than us, innit". Ah sorry you said "working class", "work" is a swear word down there!
See much connection between that sort of "person" and working class folk who fought in the wars etc? Didn't think so.
Gurkhas, Indians, Africans, Arabs, Egyptians and countless other nations fought in WW2 as well, but of course that wouldn't occur to the likes of the chavs around here.


Regarding the white population planting bombs all over the place... well to be fair the white as you and I IRA were doing the whole terrorism thing a lot more than the muslims are now a few years ago!


Regarding freedom in muslim countries, I am of the firm belief that if any muslim over here wants to see sharia law or any other barbarian filth like it then they should kindly go somewhere where that is the practice.
I have similar views on wearing religious garments in schools etc.
But that isn't the arguement here.

With all respect Dicky, I think you are living in the past.

Example?

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/homep...l/article.html

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/homep...l/article.html

Cant comment on the residences of the former.

But these people are examples of home grown citizens.

So happens these are related to racism, which is flavour of the week. But it could just be any type of antisocial behaviour.

Of course there are many examples of honest to goodness council estate folk. But clearly there are also examples of the opposite. The point is who is attracted to the BNP? Probably both.