33bhp, do you agree with it?

[andrewsmith]

Originally Posted by BanditPat

I don't agree at all I did my test a few weeks after my 17th birthday and 33bhp felt fast for what? a week? maybe 2 its a daft number pulled out of thin air and I don't think its right that just because your 21 you can go out do your test and buy a 160bhp bike you have no more experience than the 17 year old that's restricted so why should you get access to anything bigger? your no safer a rider. Its a stupid law that's practically impossible to police and any one that was that determined that they wanted more power and would do anything for it isn't going to leave the bike restricted are they? If there that determined to restrict new riders then it should be mileage based and a higer level of power i.e. 50bhp and that should be for every one no matter what age.

The proposed restriction changes I think are going to lift the 33 brake to around the DAS requirement for 2 years. then something like 70 for two year.
Final test derestricted.
Confusing or what!!!

[yorkie_chris]

BS. You would have done same thing on a 125.

Big bike gets to corners quicker, then rider panics and grabs brake... sending bike straight through hedge. How does going bolt upright in some traffic and cancelling your indicator stop that?

[andrewsmith]

Just chucking in my two cents.

Makes ne difference tbh, the 33 does wind people who are stuck with it. the two lads i know that have had to go tht route stuck with 400's or 500's until its up.

Only way i found out what a lot of my riding problems were was an assessment from a IAM/ Rospa examiner.
I was ripped to pieces for habits I ve picked up

I think the poll so far shows a fair picture of most peoples thoughts on the subject. This is one of those topics that could be discussed to the end of time without a general agreement.

33bhp needs to be revised.

It should be a case of once you pass the test it proves you can ride a motorcycle. The restrictions then should let you come up through the different levels of power to help you enhance them skills.

[widepants]

I am one of the "oldies" who used to ride around on a 250 x7

on L plates and those things would lift the wheel up all the time.
I actually look back now and wonder how I managed to get away without sticking it into the nearest bush.
Many of my friends even rode on RD 400 yams with L plates and if I remember the only noticable visual differance between that and the 250 was the extra disc on the front.
I ended up with a 1300 cc 6 cyl kwak before packing in riding for 10 yrs.
On my return I thought long and hard about what to buy and decided to get a mid range bike to warm up on and hense ended up with the SV.And after not riding for those yrs ,I was glad i did.
Is the system we have now better than the old one ??????
To be honest I think it is ...but should it be looked at again.......hell yes.

I have 8 months of restriction to go, and i honestly dont care. 33bhp is plenty for the stock suspension on proper roads. On dual carrageways/ motorways theres enough acceleration to leave pretty much any car standing, and theres no point going over a ton on the road anyway cos you'll just get had. Which is why when my restrictors come out, the bigger rear sprocket goes on.

On the other hand, I do resent having to spend a hundred-odd quid on making my bike slower, and I disagree with the vast amount of laws we have to control every aspect of our lives. I think people should be allowed to get on with it. Personal choices, not laws.

So even though personally I'm not bothered by it, I disagree on principle.

Fallenangel----I completely disagree with your view that "Once you have passed your test you can ride a motorcycle"
The test is only a minimum standard of riding so once you have passed your test that is the stage you are at "Minimum Standard"
Other people who are not so sure of themselves go on and take further training such as IAM or ROSPA. Not everbody goes this route,some may ride and gain experience over and extended period,but a newly fledged license holder who thinks he is up there with these people may find himself an accident statistic.

I notice that nobody has put forward an alternative to the present system but the poll result shows the thoughts of the majority.

What The EU want to bring in looks okay apart from the fact up to 19 you can only ride a 125 which is pants.

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by scottjames

i agree with it but i dont agree with the direct acess. just be cause some one is older doesnt mean they are any more skilled or responsable etc than me when i was 17 on a restricted sv so should not be aloud a full power.

also i think two years is too long and maybe some kind of millage scheme could be used. i do a fair amount of miles so 33bhp soon became abore well before my first year specially two up. maybe your restriction could be removed after two years or sooner if you reach a certain amound of miles, (obvi this is hard to police but then so i the whole 33bhp thing any way)

Im just glad to have finished it, but appriciate what it has done with my respect for the power i now have.

Judging by the general approach to how most under 25s conduct their lives is it any reason they keep it as they do. If you look at it from an adult point of view, the majority of people that argue the 33bhp thing are mostly under 25 blokes. Unfortunately the big people of this world have to look at the bigger general picture when putting these rules into play, I only wish they'd do something to the same age category in a car.

I do know how frustrating it is from a friends point of view doing this for 2 years, that part is ever so slightly too long IMO, but as I come onto your next point, it gives you respect for what you are riding when gaining the full power, thats because in them two years you have matured, and grown older and wiser....and less likely to be daft in front of your mates trying to show off etc.

Originally Posted by Dicky Ticker

Fallenangel----I completely disagree with your view that "Once you have passed your test you can ride a motorcycle"
The test is only a minimum standard of riding so once you have passed your test that is the stage you are at "Minimum Standard"
Other people who are not so sure of themselves go on and take further training such as IAM or ROSPA. Not everbody goes this route,some may ride and gain experience over and extended period,but a newly fledged license holder who thinks he is up there with these people may find himself an accident statistic.

I notice that nobody has put forward an alternative to the present system but the poll result shows the thoughts of the majority.

+1, when you pass your test, thats when the real riding begins. Some newly fledged riders are full of rose tinted visors, who think they are super duper, when in fact compared to some are complete sh1te. Everyone passes with different levels of competence. For some reason some think they are so fantastic, and they are the ones that end up in the hedge, whereas those that know deep down that they have a long way to go, dampen down their new found skills, but silently plod along, and end up being less of a statistic.

Oh yeah, I rode a 125 on L plates for a year, then took my DAS. It took me until the fourth attempt at test to pass, not because I was crap, but because I am a very nervous person under test conditions. I have been riding for six years, and have had ONE very minor off at 5mph. To me I am still learning, and always will, but I can't be ar$ed to wave my willy and keep up with the Jones fellas, I just plod along safely get from A to B, and travel up and down the country and abroad in confidence I'll get there in one piece. I don't get my knee down, I don't speed excessively, and I don't hang my ass off the seat to show off me skillz innit....I just ride me bike nad have done with it.