Road Works Traffic Lights:

Talk about having an axe to grind!

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by markmoto

why because he was stopped on his way home after a long day for no good reason! he isnt the most eloquent person ive come across but well within his rights..

No, for his rudeness at talking over the policeman.

As mentioned, he pulled a "non-standard" move on the roundabout - yes the cop WAS being pedantic to pull him, but I am sure that it is stuff like that which catches out many a drink-driver or unlicensed driver.

So cop was doing his job.

He should not have had to deal with an agressive idiot talking over him while doing so.

I have been pulled in the past for driving through an industrial estate (a short cut - for the Spearies, it was Dyce Industrial Estate at the Airport) in my car ar 1am, I even let them look in the boot when they asked.

Turns out there had been a lot of break ins to the ind est.

Took less than 4 mins, wasn't a problem to me.

[Messie]

Is this chap anything like Freeman Ben Lowey who was arrested for riding his motorcycle without registration, insurancen MOT or a crash helmet, and who subsequently fined £500

Source here http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land

Lol the person who wrote that clearly know's not what he is writing about and is clearly biased , no ben took an entirely different route he didnt realy know what he was doing but he was merely testing out a hypothesis, i can guarantee you that that although he may have been issued with a fine he most certainly did not pay it, i know this to be fact as i know him personaly.

Like i have said before alot of people are testing these ideas out for themselves some winning some losing this is more down to there lack of knowlege than anything else, I personaly am still learning and dont intend to put myself in the line of fire until i have sufficient knowlege to do so.
I have however recently recieved a speeding ticket that i wont be paying and if my procedure is successfull i will let you know how i went about this if anyone is interested.

No harm or malice intended

Peace out

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by markmoto

Lol the person who wrote that clearly know's not what he is writing about and is clearly biased , no ben took an entirely different route he didnt realy know what he was doing but he was merely testing out a hypothesis, i can guarantee you that that although he may have been issued with a fine he most certainly did not pay it, i know this to be fact as i know him personaly.

Like i have said before alot of people are testing these ideas out for themselves some winning some losing this is more down to there lack of knowlege than anything else, I personaly am still learning and dont intend to put myself in the line of fire until i have sufficient knowlege to do so.
I have however recently recieved a speeding ticket that i wont be paying and if my procedure is successfull i will let you know how i went about this if anyone is interested.

No harm or malice intended

Peace out

What they are doing is finding the loopholes in the laws and exploiting them.

What will it accomplish - tighter laws, minus the loopholes.

What? did you expect us to go back to the Magna Carta?

This Speeding Ticket - think about it - were you actually travelling at the speed that is alleged and was it above the posted limit?

If not, then there should be no case to answer, as there will be no evidence or proof.

If so, you got caught, take it on the chin like a man, and don't try and wriggle out like some whining baby.

Peace out?

Peace off more like...

Originally Posted by SoulKiss

If so, you got caught, take it on the chin like a man, and don't try and wriggle out like some whining baby.

Peace out?

Peace off more like...

You have that the wrong way around, a baby/Slave does what it's told a man question's implied authority if you want to behave like a subject then carry on i care not.

You are an aggressive person arnt you eh you certainly show your true colour's in your post's

Peace off yourself you may not like my idea's but as i dont realy care it does't realy matter you dont speak for everyone.

[TamSV]

So Mark can I take it, in your opinion, that the various Road Traffic Acts have (or should have) no effect? Would you have it that we can do what we like so long as we face the consequences if we injure someone or damage their property (i.e. our common law liability)?

Not realy tamsv im not that radical, i agree with alot of the RTA's but i think that more and more they are getting used against us as a mean's of robbing us of more taxes, for instance the recent speeding ticket that appeared on my doorstep was from a Gatso camera for allegedly doing 36mph in a 30mph zone.
Now this was on a dual carriage way with a central reservation, now this in my mind does not constitute dangerous driving in any way, by the way the only reason it caught me was i was riding my friend's bike which has an annoying habit of resetting it's speedo to kph so when i glanced down i wasnt entirely sure how fast i was going so i had to guess at it.
As we all know speed camera's do nothing to stop careless or dangerous driving they dont even do anything to stop speeding because most if not everyone slow's down for the camera and then speed's up even more the other side of it, But we get it shoved down our throat's that speeding is dangerous when it generaly isnt there is alot more danger in dangerous / careless driving which these camera's dont account for.
We obviously need some guideline's to keep people safe but imo speed camera's arnt the way, which is why i take a personal stance against them and choose not to comply.

Just as a side note, regularly i see police vehicle's coming round a blind corner close to where i live doing approximately 50+mph in a 30 zone, just after this corner is a junction which is tricky to get out of at the best of times, now this to me come's across as dangerous driving but i guess this must be ok because they are supposedly advanced driver's. Its wont belong before there is a serious accident there to join the many other police car's that end up smashed up or on their roof due to so called advanced driving.

I might add i have nothing against the police when they behave in the correct way, and these are just my opinions.

[TamSV]

That's a pretty reasonable response but I wonder if attacking the punishment is the way to protest.

If you're using Freeman tactics, the issue is no longer about speed cameras or inappropriate limits - it becomes about the form of "magic words" you can use to get out of an offence.

Originally Posted by TamSV

That's a pretty reasonable response but I wonder if attacking the punishment is the way to protest.

If you're using Freeman tactics, the issue is no longer about speed cameras or inappropriate limits - it becomes about the form of "magic words" you can use to get out of an offence.

There is no other way to lawfully protest against such thing's other than by not consenting, this particular matter is about speed camera's, there is no such thing as magic word's, it's just a case of knowing what to say in the right way and at the right time.

You refer above to Punishment sound's alot like slavery to me i,e you either comply or you will be punished, well i choose not to consent to this, and when you start not consenting to thing's it open's up a whole new world you didnt even know existed. As i have said im only learning as i go along and only time will tell if im successfull.

We all have to do what we feel is right im not trying to imply that people should do anything, it is just my hope that i spark at least one person's interest to look below the surface.