Gaza and Israel

Can we get a TL;DR please mark? I'm at work and can't watch the vid.


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[carelesschucca]

http://www.newstatesman.com/world-af...ay-not-my-name

I watched that video over the weekend, I also read this sad article.

[timwilky]

Originally Posted by SvNewbie

I'm trying to express how opposed to that view I am without offending you. Honestly, if you read into the history I don't see any way a reasonable person could believe the Palestinian situations is a squabble between neighbours.

Actually, I strongly believe Israel was wrong to hold onto land seized after the wars in 48,66 and 74 (might be out by a year or two). They had might on their side and despite the argument that the areas could be demilitarised to prevent subsequent attacks they decided to hold and illegally settle the regions. Denying the true owners the right to live in peace on their own land.

The Palestinians have reacted to the provocation (Not unsurprisingly) the attacks that have provoked Israeli aggression over the past 20 plus years have lead to a situation where Israel feels it is obliged to pander to its own internal ultra religious right wing by applying the same philosophy, tools and techniques seen in the Warsaw Ghetto. :- concentrate your victim into a single area. Fence them in, starve them. And then dispose of them.

The rest of the world, should have recognised the Palestinian territories as an independent nation state, that way Isreali aggression would be seen as an attack on a soveriegn nation and univerally condemned, UN sanctions impossed etc. similarly Hamas rocket attacks would be seen as an attack on a sovereign nation and sanctions imposed.

Britain/France drew up artificial borders, during ww1 and post WWII zionist migration growing into the 48 war of independance etc is the root cause of territorial squables. US support for Israel means anything in the UN will be vetoed.

So no win for anyone, lots of losses. Nobody can hold their head high.

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by timwilky

The rest of the world, should have recognised the Palestinian territories as an independent nation state, that way Isreali aggression would be seen as an attack on a soveriegn nation and univerally condemned, UN sanctions impossed etc. similarly Hamas rocket attacks would be seen as an attack on a sovereign nation and sanctions imposed.

Britain/France drew up artificial borders, during ww1 and post WWII zionist migration growing into the 48 war of independance etc is the root cause of territorial squables. US support for Israel means anything in the UN will be vetoed.

So no win for anyone, lots of losses. Nobody can hold their head high.

Unfortunately the rest of the world wouldn't be bothered about the sovereign rights of an independent state, nor be too strict with sanctions either.
Again....see Cyprus for this utterly ridiculous problem that the world dare not intervene in, apart from make a few correct noises on an anniversary of occupation of an EU country, an Independent country. Britain are very good at drawing up borders and allowing others to take advantage of that, then leaving them to fight over it.
The world won't do jack jack plop over Israel bullying Gaza.....its all about the gas folks.

May I reiterate my statement.

War is stupid.


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[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by Matt-EUC

May I reiterate my statement.

War is stupid.


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Particularly those wars stamped as 'religious', or between the 'culturally diverse'.
The real every day people, do NOT cause war. Its the fanatics at the top.
This is not every day Jewish people of Israel vs every day Muslims of Palestine.



There are then those caught in the middle, who give shelter, regardless of who you are.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...g-9631777.html

Hence "war is stupid."


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[Luckypants]

Originally Posted by timwilky

<snip>by applying the same philosophy, tools and techniques seen in the Warsaw Ghetto. :- concentrate your victim into a single area. Fence them in, starve them. And then dispose of them

Tim, I had not made that connection but the parallels are shocking. How can one people who suffered such terrible persecution inflict the same persecution on another? I ****ing despair of this world.

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by Luckypants

Tim, I had not made that connection but the parallels are shocking. How can one people who suffered such terrible persecution inflict the same persecution on another? I ****ing despair of this world.

The first few sentences illustrate this very well and also around 8 mins


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W00RAwxL7Oo#t=60

Originally Posted by Luckypants

How can one people who suffered such terrible persecution inflict the same persecution on another? I ****ing despair of this world.

This is the same issue I just can't understand, I guess they either don't care or somehow believe the "enemy" doesn't feel pain like they do.