Shame on anyone who didn't turn out to vote

Originally Posted by BanditPat

If it wasn't Nick that got elected then some other nob head would have got it. I'm glad he got it.

What do you think of Jews, BanditPat? Should they be put to death? Andrew Brons was arrested, charged and convicted whilst leading a march chanting just this.

Did the holocaust happen, BanditPat? Nick Griffin was also arrested, charged and convicted and in 1998, just 11 years ago, in a court of law in his own defense stated "I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the world is flat ... I have reached the conclusion that the 'extermination' tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria" - that's a matter of court record.

What is it, BanditPat, about the picture below you like the most?



You, BanditPat, have a right to your opinions. Congratulations, your guy got in.

[Messie]

Thank you Minimatt for articulatng so clearly and soundly what I can only splutter and rant about.

I’m sorry understand I’m not been aggressive in any way purely debating a cause here, your last post mini matt although informative does seem like a petty assault on bandit tbh.
You may completely disagree with the following but call me an optimist or even call me naive but I like to think the best of people, I don’t like people to be accused of racism or been a bigot but I believe these people are just people who haven’t heard the same stories or had the same slant put on things as you and I. Therefore with an arm around the shoulder and with dignity they can be informed subtlety and maybe become educated by the facts you can enrich them with. Your arguments and posts on this topics have definitely shown your passion against the BNP, they have been informative and direct
and with your opinion your not on your own mate I can assure you. Daimo who was even brave enough to say that the BNP have some decent policies but also have some terrible ones was then cut down and stomped on for trying to expand the debate. The poor bugger it only seemed like anyone read the bit which said BNP have good polices, everyone ignored him after saying he almost voted. Everyone clearly taking that statement far too literally, he didn’t vote for them he didn’t even start to put a x then change his mind. He heard a few outline policies and agreed then heard the rest and turned away, if we’re been honest that too was my view of the BNP. They have some good bits but when you look into the lesser published policies you see the big British boot forcing out all none white which we all know is just stupid. And so at reading that part we turned away and moved on to the other candidates.

Its thanks to this light headed way of thinking that I look at your previous post and all I see is a childish (this is the bloke in the pics btw fella not you matt J) fool who thought white power and violence was the best way to project what he thought was an ideal future. Then he got nicked had some sense smacked into him and decided to go about things the right way. Ok so his opinions obviously haven’t changed that much and the BNP is just the national front still but at least they’re doing it the right way now no-ones getting hurt and nothing will ever come of them because every time they get put in front of a microphone and tv camera they look more suitable to Jeremy Kyle than they do Question Time.

I’ve typed that fast and it may not make much sense but hopefully it does but in summary,
BNP = Lost cause
Damio = Missunderstood
Mini Matt = Can argue the feck out of something if he cares enough
Bandit = Wreckless commenter
Leedsmatt = Saviour to all

Peace out.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by MiniMatt

/repeatedly bangs head on table

At the risk of violating the "no personal insults" rule I'll tell you exactly why people voted for the BNP. Mainstream politicians won't tell you this publicly because insulting the electorate, even accurately, is a bad career move. The reason people voted for the BNP is that they're feckin stupid. So unbelievably stupid that an X on the form is just about the limit of their abilities. So mind numbingly idiotic that they fall for the "spin" spun by jackboots & suits. They somehow believe the "oh no, they're not nazis, they're fighting for our jobs" lie, they somehow believe they're not just racist but violent and disgusting facists.

Anyone see the interview with Mr Griffin last night? Where he was asked why only white people were allowed to join the BNP if they were not a racist party? And how he defended not allowing non-whites to join the BNP?

How about Andrew Brons, the other "winner"? He who joined the National Socialist Movement (an organisation founded on Hitler's birthday - bet those soldiers who died fighting for our right to vote are spinning now eh?). He who rose to become chairman of the National Front? A man charged and convicted of breach of the peace after shouting "white power" and "death to jews"? But oh no, they're not a racist party, oh no, not any more...

Make no feckin mistake people - the BNP are evil. Evil. Unfortunately idiots with the IQ of a labrador believe them.

Yet it is almost universally ignored that so many politicians were members of extreme-left movement. And this is condoned despite the millions of dead due to that little experiment.

But, when you're young it's easy to get drawn into extremism and do silly things, like occasionally joining far-right groups. And coming from a town with a large, segregated asian population and a healthy number of extreme right groups it is incredibly easy to find yourself agreeing with extremist views. Despite the hypocrisy of this in my own case, being partly descended from a Polish immigrant (I can thank the Russians for that, too!).
I don't think those political commentators from almost entirely White middle class backgrounds can understand this.

Of course the BNP prospectives ranting about the evils of immigration can later be found in the curryhouse, then getting a 'stani taxi home.

Around here, the areas to elect BNP are constituted of council sink estates populated almost entirely by benefit thieving, inbred chavs; jealous of Asian families being able to claim more benefits and having the advantage of no police presence around their area! The BNP seem to find it much easier to put their point across to people with room temperature IQ.

P.s labradors are actually very intelligent.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

P.s labradors are actually very intelligent.

Phew. Having followed this very polarised debate on the voting integrity of labradors, I was coming to that conclusion, so good to have it validated.

(just as well seeing as I'm hoping to employ one sometime soon)

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by CoolGirl

Phew. Having followed this very polarised debate on the voting integrity of labradors, I was coming to that conclusion, so good to have it validated.

(just as well seeing as I'm hoping to employ one sometime soon)

Careful, they are not averse to use of cunning tactics including emotional blackmail when it comes to the acquisition of bonuses.

[northwind]

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Yet it is almost universally ignored that so many politicians were members of extreme-left movement. And this is condoned despite the millions of dead due to that little experiment.

I don't think that's a sensible comparison, tbh, naziism is inseperable from racism and hatred, communism isn't. The fact that communist-fascism gave us some first class despots and mass murderers doesn't mean it's automatically on a par IMO- with Stalin (as number one "left" mass murderer) the deaths were part of the process, not part of the aim.

Or to put it differently, communism/left wing failed states tend to turn sick because of the leader, not the ideal. Whereas far right states tend to set out to turn sick- one's a sign of failure, the other's a sign of success.

Originally Posted by MiniMatt

What do you think of Jews, BanditPat? Should they be put to death? Andrew Brons was arrested, charged and convicted whilst leading a march chanting just this.

Did the holocaust happen, BanditPat? Nick Griffin was also arrested, charged and convicted and in 1998, just 11 years ago, in a court of law in his own defense stated "I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the world is flat ... I have reached the conclusion that the 'extermination' tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria" - that's a matter of court record.

What is it, BanditPat, about the picture below you like the most?



You, BanditPat, have a right to your opinions. Congratulations, your guy got in.

I do believe that it happened, I wouldn't have voted for the BNP personally I would have voted UKIP. But a choice between Nick Clegg, Gordon Brown and David Cameron or Nick Griffin then I would have chose Nick Griffin. Between their parties policies I agree with more of Nick Griffins, Bring our troops back and treat them like humans instead of a name on a sheet. Lower taxes on fuel. A clamp down on Illegal Immigration and making sure asylum seekers seek asylum in a country closer to their home land rather than here travelling half way accross the world to get here. I dont have a problem with some one just because theyre a different colour, I do have a problem with some one coming from a different country that doesent speak a word of English with no intention to learn, I dont have a problem with any one elses religion but I do have a problem with people thinking that we should have to adapt to suit their religion.

[flymo]

Originally Posted by BanditPat

I do believe that it happened, I wouldn't have voted for the BNP personally I would have voted UKIP. But a choice between Nick Clegg, Gordon Brown and David Cameron or Nick Griffin then I would have chose Nick Griffin. Between their parties policies I agree with more of Nick Griffins, Bring our troops back and treat them like humans instead of a name on a sheet. Lower taxes on fuel. A clamp down on Illegal Immigration and making sure asylum seekers seek asylum in a country closer to their home land rather than here travelling half way accross the world to get here. I dont have a problem with some one just because theyre a different colour, I do have a problem with some one coming from a different country that doesent speak a word of English with no intention to learn, I dont have a problem with any one elses religion but I do have a problem with people thinking that we should have to adapt to suit their religion.

Well, it is a democracy and you have your right to vote for who you choose. Thank our lucky souls though that the people who might choose to vote BNP are in a small minority.

I agree with some of your aspirations but in my opinion you are more likely to reach them with one of the more mainstream parties, at least to reach them in a more realistic way.

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by BanditPat

I dont have a problem with some one just because theyre a different colour, I do have a problem with some one coming from a different country that doesent speak a word of English with no intention to learn, I dont have a problem with any one elses religion but I do have a problem with people thinking that we should have to adapt to suit their religion.

I think this is one of the main reasons that so many Brits emmigrated last year, what was it 75,000 families or so iirc.

And herei is the rub, many people like you feel strongly about these topics yet the main parties want to say "Oh look how open and inclusive we are, everyone is welcome and everyone can practice whatever religion they like too" yet they fail to see how many people this alienates. The UKIP or BNP come along and say some of those things that they know will appeal and hence hey get votes.
i really wouldnt be suprised to learn that most of those who voted BNP did so for all the "right" reasons and not cos they wanna see all jews/black/asians kiiled or kicked out the country.