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Old 27-06-06, 11:15 AM   #91
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lynw, do you know who wrote that article for PM?
No but I will find out. I suspect that its more than likely going to be people with a bit more engineering knowledge than you or I have.
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Old 27-06-06, 11:18 AM   #92
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It was a guy called Ben Chertoff. He may have more engineering knowledge than you are I, but he also happens to be the nephew of Micheal Chertoff. The secratery of US Department of Homeland Security.

http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?content=4353

Not too sure about impartial.
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Old 27-06-06, 11:21 AM   #93
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m still waiting for a plausible reason why an airline would record people checking in and boarding then allow 3 planes to take off empty and what happened to over 500 people. Sorry but I live in the real world where the balance of probability of the people dieing on the planes is sadly more probable than a mass kidnap, mass murder and government conspiracy.
Ok, how about planes take off with passengers intact. Some kind of gas released to subdue passengers and crew. Pre-installed remote controll equipment takes over and planes are crasehed into pre-determined targets.
Do you really truly believe thats a probable action? In comparison to people board plane, fundamentalists hijack plane and fly it into two tall buildings which they could use GPS for exact co-ordinates?

I still the balance of probability lies with the simplest explanation which happens to be the "official" version.
Possibly not more likely.

But like I have said, put togethor all the holes in the official story and couple that with the gains that the US have made since 9/11........... hmmmm.
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Old 27-06-06, 11:29 AM   #94
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It was a guy called Ben Chertoff. He may have more engineering knowledge than you are I, but he also happens to be the nephew of Micheal Chertoff. The secratery of US Department of Homeland Security.

http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?content=4353

Not too sure about impartial.
Again you get selective over something. If you look at the end credits you will see he is only one of a number of people who wrote these articles. Given the bullet point nature of the Question and Reply I say he only wrote some of them.

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REPORTING: Benjamin Chertoff, Davin Coburn, Michael Connery, David Enders, Kevin Haynes, Kristin Roth, Tracy Saelinger, Erik Sofge and the editors of POPULAR MECHANICS.
PHOTOGRAPHY RESEARCH: Sarah Shatz.
SOURCES: For a list of experts consulted during the preparation of this article, click here.
But the crucial thing for me here is the last bit. Unlike most conspiracy sites they actually quote their sources meaning if you really wanted to you could contact each and everyone of the individuals to substantiate their comments.
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Old 27-06-06, 11:30 AM   #95
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As a mark of respect to those that lost there lives, I don't think digging up dirt of this will bring them back or makes matters better.
The response to that is, I suppose, that if they didn't die how we were told, they deserve justice. Personally I don't give that a lot of credability in this case, but IMO a lot of conspiracy theorists are driven by all the right motivations. Seems that they view it as much like catching a murderer- it doesn't bring back the victim, but it gives them justice.

People do these things for all sorts of reasons. Some people just like consipracies or knowing better than everyone else (the moon landing guys in particular... They seem to love the conspiracy theories since it makes them better than the ignorant masses )

What I hate is the suggestions of cowardice from the 3 planes that reached their target... Not from here, mind, but you see it quite often. It's just... I don't know. Sickening, is the word I think. We have no idea what they did or didn't do, or why, and treating victims and survivors like that, I can't abide it.
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Old 27-06-06, 11:32 AM   #96
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This is a god damn bike forum. Yes IB isnt a bike rel;ated area, but come on, its not Visordown Its run on the cahirty of its members, and by a hard working team in the back gorund. Please dont waste thier time and our money by constantly posting up long dull political posts about this and that, it not productive, and personaly boring.

We have limited bandwidth so use it wisely.

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This is no less valid than the rubbish posted in the mega thread. Don't like it, don't read it.
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Old 27-06-06, 11:32 AM   #97
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It was a guy called Ben Chertoff. He may have more engineering knowledge than you are I, but he also happens to be the nephew of Micheal Chertoff. The secratery of US Department of Homeland Security.

http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?content=4353

Not too sure about impartial.
Again you get selective over something. If you look at the end credits you will see he is only one of a number of people who wrote these articles. Given the bullet point nature of the Question and Reply I say he only wrote some of them.

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REPORTING: Benjamin Chertoff, Davin Coburn, Michael Connery, David Enders, Kevin Haynes, Kristin Roth, Tracy Saelinger, Erik Sofge and the editors of POPULAR MECHANICS.
PHOTOGRAPHY RESEARCH: Sarah Shatz.
SOURCES: For a list of experts consulted during the preparation of this article, click here.
But the crucial thing for me here is the last bit. Unlike most conspiracy sites they actually quote their sources meaning if you really wanted to you could contact each and everyone of the individuals to substantiate their comments.
Yep, I see what you're saying.






What, anyone can fly a plane you say????????? lol



lol. Just.
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Old 27-06-06, 11:35 AM   #98
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But the crucial thing for me here is the last bit. Unlike most conspiracy sites they actually quote their sources meaning if you really wanted to you could contact each and everyone of the individuals to substantiate their comments.

Fair point. But most of my info does not come from 'Conspiracy sites' as you say.

Have a look at a complete left wing nutter like Naom Chomsky (joking)...... he doesn't wirte about 9/11 but American Foreign Policy in general. Completely referenced, thousands in each book in fact. But he is still disputed, and called an 'American hating liberal loonie'.
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Popular Mechanics is cool
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Old 27-06-06, 11:38 AM   #100
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Popular Mechanics is cool
I agree.

PROPAGANDA, wooooohooooooo!!!!
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