Teens and Early Twenties.....PLEASE!!

I don't agree it is unfair. That is not what this thread is for. Uneducated guesses are not what we need at the moment. Please bear in mind the possibility his family will be reading this and we are guessing at how he died.

We repeatedly had this argument after Hovis died. A friend has died. I am quite hardened to these things but I don't want to know the details. And if I don't then there will be others and I doubt his family will want to be reading us discussing the details.

I would certainly like to know what, how or if anything went wrong as looking at the corner, it didn't seem a particularly bad one and it was one Andrew knew well apparently so it would be good to find out the details of the accident IMO.

[Red Herring]

This thread is about encouraging people to consider change as a result of what happened to a friend. You could argue that by asking people to be careful we are somehow implying that Reeder was not, yet I don't think anybody has seen it that way. UrbanFireblade didn't make an uneducated guess, there is evidence to suggest that Reeder had recently fitted new tyres and we know he left the road, but I do agree we shouldn't speculate that one led to the other and I did agree with you on that. I just don't think you should be putting someone down for trying to understand what happened, and I am confident that any member of Reeders family reading this would understand that.

We'll agree to disagree.

Originally Posted by Milky Bar Kid

We don't know what happened and we don't need people guessing and/or speculating on things

We don't NEED it, but I don't see what he's done so wrong, it's human nature when somebody dies to want to know what happened, and if that information isn't available, then it's human nature to speculate.

I understand not wanting people to jump to conclusions about what happened, it could be Reeder encountered something in the road, it could be there was a mechanical failure on his bike, or you could plain and simple be that he screwed up a corner, we don't know, but as RH says once that information is available I can only see the benefit in sharing it.

You're being a bit hard on the guy IMO, rebuke not proportional to the post he made.

[Dipper]

Reading air accident investigation reports is actively encouraged for pilots, does anyone know if there's a similar database for road accidents?

[MisterTommyH]

I wouldn't think so. It's difficult to get and understand the KSI figures.

On the other point I think it's natural for people to want to understand why something has happened, especially when it's something that has happened as part of a shared interest, and with such severe consequences. I do however agree that it's not really helpful to debate or speculate without more information, which will probably not be available for some time.

Originally Posted by Dipper

Reading air accident investigation reports is actively encouraged for pilots, does anyone know if there's a similar database for road accidents?

The police certainly keep records of the report cards that all officers fill in when they attend an accident, time, date, road layout, vehicle position, etc. This is what much of the DFT report I posted above is based upon. I don't know if these details are ever entered into a central, national, database however.

If I had died through my own error or no on the bike I would want other folk to know what went wrong to prevent the same thing happening again and wiping someone else out. Unfortunately, without witnesses, not quite so easy a thing to demonstrate but wherever possible I would want it known. As said, that corner doesn't look particularly bad but the facts may well emerge at a later date.

I don't think anyone's guessing, just trying to draw conclusions from what's available. Human curiosity and wanting to justify the loss of a life, not a crime really but folk are bound to be a tad sensitive on the topic just now so maybe leave it a wee while.

Catching back up on this after weekend; I Didn't quite realise the bulk of my previous posts, sorry if you're one who actually read them. In response to the related posts. I never contest the suggestion of training, that would be extremely ignorant to talk down a suggestion just because it surpasses my own levels of qualification. So again, I never contested the suggestion I simple question the depth of validity of that report. Ralph admits he too thinks its BS, it's just BS which at least made an effort to base it self on fact compered to the normal unfiltered tripe we find our fish and chips wrapped in.

An you know what I mean about been busy when you're under 25. Half the day is spent asleep 'tv' is an essential part of whats left of the day and after a few hours on a game console you've barely enough time to shower before working 20mins behind a bar.

It's not busy as I now know it, (wife kid mortgage part time degree etc etc). But at the time you definitely don't think you've got time for such tediums as a survey.