There's probably no god...

Originally Posted by Rog

Firstly, Lone Wolf, "May his noodley appendage be upon you"

I dont know if this has been said before but Richard Dawkins God delusion is an excellent book for those he do and dont belief.

I am an atheist through and through and I find it hard to understand that anyone with any modicum of intelligence would beleive in a god as nearly all world faiths beleive in. (i.e. an omnipitent being who listens to prayers, grants eternal life to the good, punishes evil etc..) That said I know of many scientists, politicians etc. who do beleive in a God in this way.

This is what makes me laugh when you get American celebrities who thank god for their talents. So this means that god cant stop people dying in their thousands in a famine becuase hes too busy giving a baby in america a singing voice. It makes no sense.

Another great one is grace before eating, so god is personally responsible for the food on the table and yet we dont hold him responsible for the death of a palestinian baby in a supposed safe house?? Again, makes no sense.

My last one is this. God exists and two men who have just died come before him. Both have lived almost identical lifes in how good they have been to there fellow man. One has done this as a devout christian and has therefore done all these good things in the name of God. The second is a complete Aetheist but has been good never the less and that is how he got the most hapiness and forfillment out of his life. So in this scenario if the Christian beleives that the non beleiver will not granted eternal life it would suggest that God is vengeful and selfish as he only wants people to be good in homage it him. If the christian believes that God would let him in, then why do you have to acknowledge his existence in the first place, ergo he doesnt need to exist in our life when we are alive, therefore he doesnt exist.

Very interesting. Yes Americans annoy me with the God bless and thank god all the bloody time... I bet if you ask an average half wit (a.k.a American) where god is from it would be America. Particularly annoying in the election race "God bless America". Tsh.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

So instead look at the Christian faith as a moral code, all the stories in the bible as stories with a moral behind them there to teach a lesson.

Not a bad way to live life.

Indeed your right... But a good person shouldn't need these, they should know right from wrong and need no code or book to tell them what is right and wrong.

Originally Posted by ThEGr33k

Indeed your right... But a good person shouldn't need these, they should know right from wrong and need no code or book to tell them what is right and wrong.

That is interesting because I think you are totally wrong, and from a scientific viewpoint not a religious one - it has been proven, unfortunately through neglected children cases, that "knowing right from wrong" has to be taught, it is not something we are "born" with - so, IMHO, following the commandments and being a person my mother would be proud of (incidentally, she is still remote-nagging me from NZ but hey lol) is my code of conduct. But I will be the first to acknowledge that this is taught behaviour.

Originally Posted by Paws

we had a humanitarian do my Aunts funeral service today as shes wasnt religious and none of my family are, it was v touching and v moving and honest.

A friend of mine has a job as an Atheist Funeral Orator - he does a brisk business and it comforts the relatives knowing that respect is being given without the "religious" aspect if the dead wasnt particularly that way (or the family come to that). I think its a good compromise

I think I am gonna become a Pastafarian , they are offering a 30 day trial on religion for the new year .


May his Noodley Appendage be upon you

Originally Posted by Lissa

I believe in the possibility of a god/gods.

I don't believe in religion!

+1 - a good point which I totally agree with!

Originally Posted by Grinch

Religion is a excuse for those that can't accept the truth.

Bad people do bad things it was the work of the Devil... no people are bad.
A good things happen it was the work of god... no people can also be good.

If you knew when you died nothing would happen, would you then be so willing to die for something like religion?

There are so many reasons that I can think of why its such a bad thing I just don't have the time to write it all.

But we all have the freedom to choose and I respect that, but don't expect me to listen to the dribble about it all.

Yay-ith I have spoken.

- no, you have to be evil to do evil. nothing to do with the cute horned guy
- good things happen independent of people but good people can generate good things

- very few people die "for religion". I would die for a specific reason. Although I hasten to add, Im not dying as far as I can help it!

Your logic is flawed. But on the plus side, you dont need to rely on your brains. (ran this last comment past Soulkiss and he endorsed it LMAO)

[the_lone_wolf]

Originally Posted by vixis

That is interesting because I think you are totally wrong, and from a scientific viewpoint not a religious one - it has been proven, unfortunately through neglected children cases, that "knowing right from wrong" has to be taught, it is not something we are "born" with

You can instil morals without following the stories of the bible, without religion at all, humanism is an example of a rational, moral life view that completely rejects the notion of god or religion

in fact, if you don't want to appear racist, sexist, in support of slavery and rape or generally old fashioned you'd do better to NOT follow all the old bible stories, or at least carefully cherry pick the ones that don't mention it...

[the_lone_wolf]

Badger & Rog : Ramen...

[Paul the 6th]

has the teapot analogy been brought up yet?

funny story

[the_lone_wolf]

Originally Posted by Paul the 6th

has the teapot analogy been brought up yet?

funny story

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