9/11 what really happened?

[Balky001]

Originally Posted by akbarhussain

And if I remember rightly, weren't the contracts which the French had with Iraq to buy thier oil dealing in Euros too? Hmmmm, perish the thought.

Yes, you are right - that's why the French wanted to keep the contracts going and not go to war. Good point Akbar, if it wasn't for this the war may well have been sanctioned by the UN.

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by DanDare

Forgive me, I'm trying to ascertain your angle in this discussion/ thread.
You appear to anti America or Anti American government or anti Bush.

Why is it when someone questions things they see as the wrong doing of certain govts they are immeadiately anit-that thing?

I dont like it when it rains but i'm not anti-weather.

This is almost becoming like the attitude of criticising anything israeli or jewish makes you anti-semetic.

I dont see it that way, if i see someone driving really badly while on a handheld mobile i'll crticise them for that behaviour being incorrect and illegal. If that person happens to be jewish/black/spotty/fat/gay or whatever onlookers may think i'm having a go at what they see. Ie they see me having a pop at this black guy and asume ive got something against black people and say i'm racist.
And how wrong is that?

Originally Posted by Spiderman

Why is it when someone questions things they see as the wrong doing of certain govts they are immeadiately anit-that thing?

I dont like it when it rains but i'm not anti-weather.

This is almost becoming like the attitude of criticising anything israeli or jewish makes you anti-semetic.

I dont see it that way, if i see someone driving really badly while on a handheld mobile i'll crticise them for that behaviour being incorrect and illegal. If that person happens to be jewish/black/spotty/fat/gay or whatever onlookers may think i'm having a go at what they see. Ie they see me having a pop at this black guy and asume ive got something against black people and say i'm racist.
And how wrong is that?

Calm down Spider dude, I was simply asking the question, not accussing him of anything, I was just asking his stance on it. I just thought a few comments pointed toward that and justy clarifying it.

Originally Posted by Balky001

Yes, you are right - that's why the French wanted to keep the contracts going and not go to war. Good point Akbar, if it wasn't for this the war may well have been sanctioned by the UN.

lol - I really can't be bothered to dig through the UN website to find this, but feel free to if you have the time. But i'll think you'll find it wasn't just the French that vetoed the resolution for war. In fact, i'm pretty sure it was only the US/UK + one or two others that were in favour.

But good point anyway

Originally Posted by DanDare

Calm down Spider dude, I was simply asking the question, not accussing him of anything, I was just asking his stance on it. I just thought a few comments pointed toward that and justy clarifying it.

I am certainly not anti-american; anti-american-government or anti-bush? Hmmmmmm, I might find either of those a bit harder to deny - but in essence, i'm not even sure that they would encompass it.

Anti-capitalist? Anti-Globalist? The problem I have with these is that they have been hijacked by the right to thorw at anyone that disagrees with their point of view; and I am certainly not an anarchist.

TBH, I dunno how you would classify my position - idealist maybe? Or just plain unrealistic, lol.

Ever thought of a career in politics?

[Balky001]

Originally Posted by akbarhussain

TBH, I dunno how you would classify my position - idealist maybe? Or just plain unrealistic, lol.

Objective? Hmmm, maybe not! We're all idealist just have different ideals - thankfully

Originally Posted by Spiderman

As for Iran & Venuzela.... they have both threathened to join forces and sell their oil in future in Euros. Their is nothing forcing them to trade in USD ($) and if they did start to trade in Euros that in itself would help to destabalise the USD.

I think that has been the biggest threat to america yet. No one can really fight a tradtitional battle (men/guns/tanks/) against them and win, a guerilla battle maybe.

Bravo Spiderman! Well said!! I'm just so stunned that only you and Akbarhussain are able to see these things so clearly. It's war - war on the so-called mighty dollar.

I know the euro hasn't been around too long, and it's been prety unstable due to the poor economies of Germany and France, but it makes real sense for Venezuela with its huge GDP of $6100 per person and Iran (GDP $8300 pp) - plus Syria with GDP of $3900 pp - to take on the dollar.

Personally, I am sickened at the sight of Warren Buffett and Bill Gates cosying up to give away $60 BILLION dollars over the next twenty years. I am sure when that has all been made worthless by the power of the new Iran-Venezuela axis, then the real philanthropy of Ahmadinejad, Chavez and Assad will be seen. All those those stupid pension funds who invested in Berkeley Hathaway will have to tell loads of old guys that they've got to go back to work - and serve them right. They should have gone and worked in Iran and Venezuela in the first place. And all those stupid companies that sell things to America - well, they'll just sell their stuff to Iran and Venezuela I mean, just add their populations and GDPs up - that's an average better than quite a lot of small countries. So, Go Venezuela, Spiderman and Akbar!!!!

Personally though, I still think that it would have been far better for Europe to have done a deal with Stalin or Hitler - it would have stopped America in its tracks in 1943, and saved a lot of countries from being invaded.

Originally Posted by Balky001

Objective? Hmmm, maybe not! We're all idealist just have different ideals - thankfully

I feel that you should try to backup your insinuation that I am not objective, despite the emoticom. Honestly, an internet forum is NOT the best place to discuss anything of this nature simply becasue of the lack of context. But if you think I am not objective then I would love to hear your views.

Thankfully yes, we don't all share the same ideals.

Originally Posted by DanDare

Ever thought of a career in politics?

I don't really think that a career in politics would do me or anyone any good.

If you look currently at anyone that disagrees with government concencus, they are either:

a) corrupted to bring them into line

b) sidelined, so that their opiniojn is no longer heard by the public

or at worst

c) given an early bath, so to speak. RIP Dr. David Kelly.

I don't really see any way out of our current situation.