Knife crime - petition

Originally Posted by timwilky

How the hell do you prove/disprove that a knife is not being carried for a reasonable reason. I used a knife almost daily at work. I lived in my jacket pocket so I always had it when needed. This day and age, I would have to think twice.

I know of pipe smokers who use a knife all the time to clean out the bowl of their pipe, is it reasonable for them to carry their little knives?.

But what their excuse or reason for having on them is, and wheter its over 3" or a lock knife if you can't give me a good excuse for the knife you will be arrested simple as that.

My leatherman lives under my bike seat at the moment, but its a tool, I used to carry that all time when I worked TV or do freelance days now, its tool that I need to carry out my job.

Also knife culture in London could be considered a problem I know that there have been serveral arrest for it and have perosnally dealt with it myself helping arrest a robber that used knife to try and rob someone with.

The media do hype things up beyound belief I am wary of the media and have a good understanding how they work, having been in that for serval years, end of the day bad news makes better stories than good ones.

[timwilky]

Originally Posted by svracer12

But what their excuse or reason for having on them is, and wheter its over 3" or a lock knife if you can't give me a good excuse for the knife you will be arrested simple as that.

My leatherman lives under my bike seat at the moment, but its a tool, I used to carry that all time when I worked TV or do freelance days now, its tool that I need to carry out my job.

So, the small swiss army type knife that I used as a tool of my trade is ok in my jacket pocket on the way to/from work?.

But if I pop into the pub on the way home, I am likely to be arrested?

[Biker Biggles]

Guns knives,whatever.Its worth remembering that it isnt the tools that do the crimes,its the scrotes.We have to start thinking in terms of people who are criminals,and have tendencies to commit criminal acts because that is how they think.Take away their knives and they will find some other way to kill.

[timwilky]

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

Guns knives,whatever.Its worth remembering that it isnt the tools that do the crimes,its the scrotes.We have to start thinking in terms of people who are criminals,and have tendencies to commit criminal acts because that is how they think.Take away their knives and they will find some other way to kill.

So true, reminds me of an old friend whose wife was dallying elsewhere. When he found out, he used the well known phrase "I am going to kill her". Almost immediately plod revoked his firearms certificate and confiscated his pistols.

He appealed to the high court. His argument against revocation of his certificate before the judge :-

"I am an ex US Marine. I served in Korea and know how to kill. If I wanted to kill the lying adulterous bitch, I could strangle her, break her neck, cut her throat. I don't need a gun to kill her. so, can I please have my firearms certificate back".

There was a recommendation that Bill should go back to live in the land of his birth.

I can't say this is a great surprise.

Me late Missus was from the 3rd world (albeit a "nice" bit) their problem is with machetes. Only a Knife? Bah! Her advice was make sure you have a good handle. Yer don't want it to break off after stabbing them only once. Cos' at that point they will be p#ssed with you. (I paraphrase). Good or bad? somethings just "are".

Looked like butter wouldn't melt etc (well, sometimes!). and perhaps not typical, but by no means unusual..........But the attitude don't get left behind at passport control.....it also rubs off, if not always in actions.......but I can see how it would rub off / carry on in the right (wrong?) environment - whether that be in Timbuktu or Tooting.

Still, I am sure HMG have a plan..........

The thing about the knife law is that is mentions without a valid reason for having a knife on your person.
If you're fishing/hunting/camping it up with scouts or use it for work that's a valid reason.

It's a stupid law anyway, now that all knives are illegal kids are carrying big kitchen knives instead of 3" lock knives. I also don't believe knives are the problem, it's the gangs and the general decline in the British way of life.

Better than National Service Just stop depoying us to Iraq and Afgan ans stick us on Patrol in the **** hole areas of our Citys, I am sure a bunch of C8*ts with Knives aint going to argue with an 8 man patrol properly tooled up for aggresive patroling. Introduce Armoured patrols as well!!

A case leave the knife behind or feel what a proper Bayonet feels like, they are cool with serated edges on one side to cut bone and cartlidge and blood channels to ensure ther is not a vacume seal and it can be removed easily.

Also the tower blocks make excellent Sniper positions to practice from.

The army would be so much more effective at arrests as we dont give a f**k about cracking a few skulls to get people under control.

I for one would love to patrol the **** streets of the UK rather than Souther Iraq, its a lot cooler and with no IED's to watch out for.

As for Concidering national service , Matt i would think its ok if all the street wise cocky ****s are in one platoon etc as then if they dont perform or do as they are told when they are told their first mistake will be their last.

jails need to be a punishment-no tv,no sports,no smoking etc, chain gangs doing jobs to repay for there crimes etc-we are too soft on the criminals-before i get shot down about human rights what about the rights of decent people to walk the streets without having to worry about getting assaulted -i jailed a habitual knife carrier who has three previous for possession of knives-he gets back out and two months later plunges a innocent guy four times in the back for nothing-give me the choice and i'd lock them away for a minimum of 10 years.

Originally Posted by husky03

-i jailed a habitual knife carrier who has three previous for possession of knives-he gets back out and two months later plunges a innocent guy four times in the back for nothing-give me the choice and i'd lock them away for a minimum of 10 years.

Let us do you Job for a bit and he wont be walking anywhere

Originally Posted by neio79

Let us do you Job for a bit and he wont be walking anywhere

What gets to me about this is that there scumbag lawyers paint them as miss understood but are fully aware what they get up to-i work in the knife crime capital of europe, where doctors from all over the world come to train in our hospitals to study the effects of knife crime on the human body-you just need to go to the royal on a weekend night and it'll sicken you to the core-we've been too soft for too long now and society is paying the price.