Sarkozy speaking sense?

Hair is scared because men are athigher risk of loosing it. and get jelous seeing women with hair

no, you are right. I dont understand it either. Some parts of religion i get, like the moral codes with which to live life by (dont sleepw with brothers ans sisters, be kind to people etc etc) but other things I dont understand, and I find it wrong how people use religion to empower themselves and opress others. Isnt religion about being nice to one an other and being accepting of each individual and who they are?

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Originally Posted by Alpinestarhero

Isnt religion about being nice to one an other and being accepting of each individual and who they are?

Er no religion is about worshipping a deity and doing what it says without question. Or what you think it says. Or what you read about someone thinking it said a gazillion years ago in a foreign language which isn't spoken any more and has been translated 17 times to get to english. Also the concept of "proof" is generally frowned upon and, in fact, ridiculed.

Originally Posted by ophic

Er no religion is about worshipping a deity and doing what it says without question. Or what you think it says. Or what you read about someone thinking it said a gazillion years ago in a foreign language which isn't spoken any more and has been translated 17 times to get to english. Also the concept of "proof" is generally frowned upon and, in fact, ridiculed.

ah i see, probably why im not religious then

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Originally Posted by ophic

Er no religion is about worshipping a deity and doing what it says without question. Or what you think it says. Or what you read about someone thinking it said a gazillion years ago in a foreign language which isn't spoken any more and has been translated 17 times to get to english. Also the concept of "proof" is generally frowned upon and, in fact, ridiculed.

Indeed as it holds the key to the "defeat of god" as reasoned thus

Originally Posted by Oolon Colluphid

"The argument goes something like this: `I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, `for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'
`But,' says Man, `The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.'
`Oh dear,' says God, `I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly vanished in a puff of logic."

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Originally Posted by Alpinestarhero

ah i see, probably why im not religious then

some religions also include moral codes of behaviour etc. Religions that require illegal practices become illegal, and therefore the ones that are still around tend to be the ones that advocate good moral codes.

Oh and religious festivals are ways of getting free days off work, especially if your religion isn't the primary one of the country, as then you get all the primary religion days off work by default, then your own religion's days off too.

I worship the big SV in the sky, which dictates that paid work is always secondary to posting on the org. Come join me, my children.

Ophic (High Priest of SV-anity)

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can see both sides of this. in one sense agree with what some have said that these forms of dress could be intimidating, and that they could be seen as oppression against women if they are being forced to wear them. On the other hand being told how to dress by a government is a major issue as well. Really all you can do is make sure people aren't being pressured into wearing these things unless they want to. If they do want to then you have to respect their beliefs.

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Originally Posted by wizurd

If they do want to then you have to respect their beliefs.

No you don't. Beliefs should be judged on their merit. Otherwise we'd end up with all sorts of crazy and dangerous... oh hang on...

im not saying accept people who have the belief that blowing up planes is the right thing to do. But if people have their religions and if they believe it all and want to follow it then its not fair to tell them they can't. Unless of course its harming them or other people. And for the record im not religious one bit and dont believe god or whatever exists. My own personal view though.

I think he is wrong I'm afraid. Being in a free country is all about being free to dress and say how you please so long as it doesn't offend anyone else. Now it is surely ridiculous that anyone is actually afraid of a 5 foot arabic woman in a burkha, so they should be allowed to do what they like. Now whether they are being made to dress like that by their husbands, IS wrong, but that problem can't be addressed by outlawing burkha's anymore than terrorism can be repressed by arresting everyone in the world. Security for all at the expense of freedom. Let everyone wear what they like, worship who they like, say what they like so long as it isn't harmful, and then concentrate on engaging with the muslim men on why they feel the need to hide their women away. It is basically fear and insecurity on their own parts I'd imagine.