Mini Twin Police!!

[andrewsmith]

Originally Posted by mike_red2uk

To explain my rebuff is as follows,
every lap at the weekend i would get on the gas early throught the chicane, sling shot past other minitwins only for them to then accelerate away along the back straight, not just pull away slightly but **** off from view! I could name names on here of lads racing on what I know are modified sv's as minitwins.

Getting a corner right, passing people in the corner or even catching them around the corner only for them then to pull sharply away is NOT playing fair.

As spectator on this (non-racer), there was bikes at croft which were ****ing off on the straights, one that appeared suspect was running 14/ 47.

I do agree with the policing of the Northern classes as cheating seems to be common place.

Originally Posted by mike_red2uk

Mike/and others,
please cease with the obvious, my bike (and tonys carby) has the correct gearing, which is changes to suit each track, it has a healthy engine, filter n full system, also has a PC dyno'd to give perfect fueling.
RIdden by lads who can ride.
This issue Tony started is releavent and not simply dismissed as a RIDER/GEARING/SLIGHT TUNING issue!!!

That's rather arrogant, I thought you were asking for advice from those with more experience than yourself. Just because you think your bike is well set up doesn't mean it actually is under race conditions.

As someone who oversaw the dyno at Bemsee for three years, and has kept in touch with the results since, I can tell you that many bikes, including those set up by quite experienced and reputable dyno operators, are not always optimum over the length of a race.

If you are so confident that your bike is at it's best then either stump up for a dyno to prove it or pay to protest the bikes you think are cheating. Both are easy to do but not quite as easy as complaining on an internet forum.

Originally Posted by andrewsmith

As spectator on this (non-racer), there was bikes at croft which were ****ing off on the straights, one that appeared suspect was running 14/ 47.

I do agree with the policing of the Northern classes as cheating seems to be common place.

If a bike has more power than it will still run out of revs running 14/47. It will give it more acceleration but less top speed. Obviously at the track in question better acceleration was more important.

Originally Posted by Mike1234

That's rather arrogant, I thought you were asking for advice from those with more experience than yourself. Just because you think your bike is well set up doesn't mean it actually is under race conditions.

As someone who oversaw the dyno at Bemsee for three years, and has kept in touch with the results since, I can tell you that many bikes, including those set up by quite experienced and reputable dyno operators, are not always optimum over the length of a race.

If you are so confident that your bike is at it's best then either stump up for a dyno to prove it or pay to protest the bikes you think are cheating. Both are easy to do but not quite as easy as complaining on an internet forum.

Thats rather yet another stupid reply, I wasnt asking for advice personally, however drumming up support for paying for a Dyno at one of our race meeting yes!
I can see why so many dont bother raising this issue/fit a larger bore/ keep their mouths shut.
Divint shoot the messenger MIKE!
And dont worry it'll be the last time i complain on an internet forum pal!

Originally Posted by mike_red2uk

Thats rather yet another stupid reply, I wasnt asking for advice personally, however drumming up support for paying for a Dyno at one of our race meeting yes!
I can see why so many dont bother raising this issue/fit a larger bore/ keep their mouths shut.
Divint shoot the messenger MIKE!
And dont worry it'll be the last time i complain on an internet forum pal!

So if you aren't interested in learning from the experience of others perhaps you could suggest modifications that could result in certain bikes driving away from you then?

Just how much extra horsepower, or torque, do you think they have? Can you explain the example of the faster accelerating bike using the 14/47 gearing when your gearing is apparently optimum?

Strange how the Bemsee SV650 MiniTwins lap records are generally faster than the big bore SV650 ThunderBike times at the same round...

[andrewsmith]

Mike what is need to be added on my half with the 14/47 gearing at croft, there is less than a second between a rider on 14/47 and riders on 14 or 15/45.

Also with croft and the club, minitwins and modified are in with GP125's so the pace is rapid and carnage 4 a few laps

Hello again all,
well it looks like i've kicked off an emotive issue and there seem to be ruffled feathers aplenty!!

First can I make a few things crystal clear...

I know it's not just horsepower that is a factor in a good lap time-i've already said that!!
At the moment there is simply zero policing of the North East and Scottish clubs.
I'd like to know what peoples opinions are about the fact that there is no policing in a class that has specific regulations regarding horsepower.
If horsepower makes no difference then why do Bemsee dyno bikes so rigorously??
Does anyone think that any club without dyno facilities should perhaps not run a MiniTwin class??
Would people be happier knowing that everyone in "our" class had been dyno'd??

The main reason I started all this is i'm having an enforced break from racing and i'm concerned about whether I should bother returning to a Club and Class that doesn't seem to be giving everyone a fair crack of the whip in a sport that is both very expensive and time consuming for the average working bloke-or even on the sick bloke!!!

I'm very inclined to go along with Mike's thoughts and choose Clubs and fixtures more carefully-i.e. try racing with Bemsee. Or maybe quit racing and just give track days a try??

Keep em coming!!!!

TC 252

[Bibio]

i dont race but i'd like to ask a question.

as said the bhp limit is 72hp. for minitwins. is this why you dont see people racing hyosung gt650's as the quoted hp is 82?

so if a bike comes from the factory producing more hp that is allowed would you have to de-tune the said bike?

I thought mike1234's reply's were spot on. Let's get a dyno at north east and Melville meetings and try and get a tech official familiar with the minitwin rule book and let him inspect the bikes. I'll email Diana at melville and I'll see what she thinks would be possible.
It would be in the clubs interest to sort it because it's one of their biggest grids. It's one of the reasons I'm not racing with NEMCRC as the addition of tuned minitwins has really muddied the water and there is zero policing of it.
Mike reed- if you rode a bike as quick as you took offence you wouldn't have to worry about people tuning their bikes.
Tony- Have you been in touch with the people who own the rights to the series name? They might have something to say on all this.

[andrewsmith]

Originally Posted by Bibio

i dont race but i'd like to ask a question.

as said the bhp limit is 72hp. for minitwins. is this why you dont see people racing hyosung gt650's as the quoted hp is 82?

so if a bike comes from the factory producing more hp that is allowed would you have to de-tune the said bike?

Has to be to the 72 brake limit, also Hyosung are known for overly optimistic power claims. Ducatti 800SS's are run but a retuned to comply. There is nothing illegal (within the rules) against running monster 796's is they're neutered 10 brake to match (in stock guise)

Originally Posted by crisis95

I thought mike1234's reply's were spot on. Let's get a dyno at north east and Melville meetings and try and get a tech official familiar with the minitwin rule book and let him inspect the bikes. I'll email Diana at melville and I'll see what she thinks would be possible.
It would be in the clubs interest to sort it because it's one of their biggest grids. It's one of the reasons I'm not racing with NEMCRC as the addition of tuned minitwins has really muddied the water and there is zero policing of it.
Mike reed- if you rode a bike as quick as you took offence you wouldn't have to worry about people tuning their bikes.
Tony- Have you been in touch with the people who own the rights to the series name? They might have something to say on all this.

To clarify here-say- has a dyno been mentioned to the North east club for ultralights?

On to melville, most racers who run a minitwin spec bike (like you Crisis, TC252, Mike, Berlin and whole load of other racers on here that run to spec bikes) some cheating that does go on there is not discreet. The dyno is a very good idea

The other options (I personally can see) to this is for clubs to go down the Irish Road racing/ Manx spec classes, which makes it a big bucks class against the ethos of the Minitwin idea or go down the same idea that Auto66 run, the Lites class