Welfare myths

[timwilky]

I don't get all this top up business. Surely you should get what you earn. It should be more beneficial to work full time. Do these credits encourage people to put in the minimum necessary to claim the maximum?

[Bri w]

Originally Posted by timwilky

I don't get all this top up business. Surely you should get what you earn. It should be more beneficial to work full time. Do these credits encourage people to put in the minimum necessary to claim the maximum?

Top up's are because for some industries to remain competitive in a global market they can't afford to pay a living wage. In effect, the Govt is subsidising some companies rather than have them go under and put even more people on the jam roll.

And as some benefits have specific qualifying limits it quite literally pays to only work a certain number of hours and/or earn a certain level of pay.

In isolation its wrong but in the real world there's no choice. But having said that, there's a fair number of people who actively seek to only work 'x' hours, prefering a full time wage(inc benefits) from a part time job.

[Biker Biggles]

No.These top ups are a form of subsidy,just like the state used to sudsidise industry back in the 70s and before.State subsidy as such became banned under world trade agreements so now it is done in a different way to get around those rules.If we didnt do it even more jobs would head East to China and elsewhere so its hard to see what alternatives there are.

[Biker Biggles]

Originally Posted by Bri w

Top up's are because for some industries to remain competitive in a global market they can't afford to pay a living wage. In effect, the Govt is subsidising some companies rather than have them go under and put even more people on the jam roll.

And as some benefits have specific qualifying limits it quite literally pays to only work a certain number of hours and/or earn a certain level of pay.

In isolation its wrong but in the real world there's no choice. But having said that, there's a fair number of people who actively seek to only work 'x' hours, prefering a full time wage(inc benefits) from a part time job.

Blimey
We agree

[Bri w]

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

Blimey
We agree

Don't worry, agreeing with facts is waaayyyy different than agreeing about political dogma

Originally Posted by garynortheast

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...l-8437872.html

That ignores the other benefits you'd receive as a family with kids.

[NTECUK]

What This country needs is manufacturing Jobs.
As unpopular it may seam to help company's invest in the UK .We need to give big bssines an incentive to build in the UK.
We do make good cars in the UK .But in m own franchise the two smaller cars are no longer made in the UK but India.
This is Wrong .
Rather than trying to look good in the short run Labour should have made the line and attractive UK prospect.
And No the coalition are not addressing this even now!

[yorkie_chris]

48% versus 28%.
What the f*** does that prove other than "people" are not experts in statistics. 28% of people taking longer than a year to find work is still a big problem.

Same with £147 versus £111... what does that show?

Who's the c*** for brainwashing people with myths when they are using numbers like that...

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

48% versus 28%.
What the f*** does that prove other than "people" are not experts in statistics. 28% of people taking longer than a year to find work is still a big problem.

Same with £147 versus £111... what does that show?

Who's the c*** for brainwashing people with myths when they are using numbers like that...

People do it to themselves by watching mass media, then going well it must true! They fall for it every time...

There isn't much work out there at all, a lot of jobs have been replaced with either part time jobs or lower paid jobs to make it look like we have people employed when in fact more people are under employed than ever before. Then the people that are working, the government as already stated have prop up companies that don't pay their tax bills and don't pay people a liveable income. Thats someone’s fault, not sure who though.

So how about this as a radical idea, everyone pay their tax bill which including friends of "Dave" cut waste in government there is lots of that the government and associated organisations are very good at that, then with the money saved and tax income we can pay people properly. Oh wait that won't happen, its easier to single out a group of people turn then into public emery no 1 though the use of mass media which a gullible naive population take as the truth without question.

[yorkie_chris]

So company's not being "tax efficient" through good accountants results in them being able to pay higher wages.
And increased tax income results in paying people properly.

The spirit of these statements I disagree with completely, the public sector is generally well paid anyway and companies will pay the amount they need to get the people they need.

If anything, taxes, red tape and bullsh*t which the government generates stifles growth and impedes companies from being successful.


My view is taxes should be fair enough that it isn't worth the expensive accountants time to dodge them. For example high rate earners "going offshore". If the tax was FAIR (applied equally...) then gaining 20% of a million a year is a sight better than gaining 50% of f*** all!
Edit:
And if this was done in the first place then a lot of salaries wouldn't be so high. Companies wouldn't offer as high rates as a lower taxable income would result in the same net income.