Legal Minimum Gear Standard

Originally Posted by 454697819

Did mcn reply??
Alex

No they haven't, but I don't expect they bother. It may get into this week's issue though ... you never know.

I too believe that legislation is probably too severe, but where's the training and awareness?

Perhaps (and this is where it starts to get really controversial) if people had to arrange their own medical insurance, they may take better care of themselves due to the inevitable spiralling premiums they would incur from their irresponsible behaviour.

Originally Posted by jonboy

To hell with free will. Has anyone any idea of the cost of hospitalisation after a serious RTA? It's a lot. The tax payer pays - that's me and you, folks.

I suppose you're the sort of person who thinks obesity should be banned as well because they cost more on the nhs? :P Smokers shouldn't get treatment on the nhs for illnesses... Hell, women with a history of miscarriage shouldn't get treatment for dodgy pregnancies because they KNOW they are at risk yet try to concieve anyway...

Confrontational?...

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Originally Posted by jonboy

Mood today: Confrontational


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Originally Posted by Ping

If people WANT to ride in t-shirts and shorts its THEIR skin. I totally disagree with having a 'nanny state' that wraps us all up in cotton wool and tells us how to live.

I ride in full armoured leathers and won't ride otherwise but I respect other people's right to take the risks they want, I don't think it's smart but thats up to them. It's not up to me to tell them how to live if they're not actively hurting others.

You might as well ban bikes altogether on the grounds that they're too dangerous... Those of us who ride KNOW it and we ride anyway. Its a risk we're willing to take.

What about the police men and paramedics that have to clear it up,
i dont want a nanny state, id would just like to see more bikers treating there skin with respect!

Alex

Originally Posted by jonboy

To hell with free will. Has anyone any idea of the cost of hospitalisation after a serious RTA? It's a lot. The tax payer pays - that's me and you, folks.

We now wear crash-helmets (which at the time of their introduction was possibly the most controversial issue to ever hit motorcycling) and very very few of us would now be without one. So it's not only logical but also a question of social responsibility to at least wear clothing that will protect you in the unfortunate event of an accident.

Decent boots, gloves, trousers and jacket - give them a basic CE standard that offers a minimum standard of protection and that's all you need.

Nanny state? That's nothing but an emotive over-reaction. If people don't like living in a structured society, there's the whole world to choose from - alternatively, stand for parliament if you feel that strongly and do some thing about it. You never know, you just might get my vote .


Mood today: Confrontational


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Originally Posted by howardr

Perhaps (and this is where it starts to get really controversial) if people had to arrange their own medical insurance, they may take better care of themselves due to the inevitable spiralling premiums they would incur from their irresponsible behaviour.

Id never thought about that! thats very good point!

Originally Posted by 454697819

What about the police men and paramedics that have to clear it up,
i dont want a nanny state, id would just like to see more bikers treating there skin with respect!

Alex

I'd like to take a leap here and say they MUST know it goes with the job... I mean firemen KNOW they're going to come across some pretty gruesome sights... cops will have to attend murder scenes, ambulance crews will have to attend accidents...

Educate people but let them make their own choices. You can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

Ahh yes, the choice between the stick or carrot. Of course, its always easier to legislate to force people to do what you want because it eliminates the chance of attempts at reforming at the social level going wrong. Just ban biking, that'll solve the expensive problem of clearing up after RTA's.

Instead of worrying about the money being put into clearing up accidents, why not invest into subserdising advanced training instead?

Originally Posted by Ping

I'd like to take a leap here and say they MUST know it goes with the job... I mean firemen KNOW they're going to come across some pretty gruesome sights... cops will have to attend murder scenes, ambulance crews will have to attend accidents...

Educate people but let them make their own choices. You can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

Fair point, but still i think its only fair to wear the right stuff, as does everyone on here (i think), so thats encouraging.
Alex

Originally Posted by Ping

I suppose you're the sort of person who thinks obesity should be banned as well because they cost more on the nhs?

Yes. Er well I did think that but as I've just stepped off the scales (they're probably wrong though) I think I might just reconsider...


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