What security do you use?

I still think we should be able to put a defence system in the grips like Blade has in his sword where blades fly out an slice up the hand of anyone who aren't meant to be handleing it.

Like this

Of course you would need to remember to disarm it when you got back to your bike ofcourse.

i live in a residential street in north london, if i left it out on the road i wouldnt expect to see it the next day, if you have a front garden park it in that and chain it to somthing and get a decent chain like an Almax, an oxford chain can be bolt cropped fairly easily.

Originally Posted by Kate

Not sure I would agree with the 'seconds' bit. I've got an almax imobilizer chain around a tree and the only way anyone can get through that is with an angle grinder which would take a bit longer and make quite a bit of noise.

They spray it with liquid nitrogen, which freezes the metal and then hit it with a hammer, the chain just shatters....

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You need guns..........lots of guns

[northwind]

Originally Posted by Jelster

They spray it with liquid nitrogen, which freezes the metal and then hit it with a hammer, the chain just shatters....

Doesn't work so well with a layered link... The metal doesn't embrittle to the same extent. Most pros seem to use pneumatic cutters these days, since they make a nonsense of anything but the most massive chains.

At work I lock mine with an Oxford Boss disc brake lock through the rear disc (better than the front- less bad if you forget to remove it, harder to access with tools, and the front still has the steering lock). At home, it goes in the garage with no locks. I can't see the point in any more to be honest, if someone wants the bike enough that they've already broken into my garage then a lock's not going to make much difference, and there's nothing to chain it to when it's in the street so the best chain in the world would be no better than my wee disc lock.

I own a 14mm chain but I only use it if the bike's parked somewhere dodgy or away from home overnight. I know there's better but when the hydraulic cutters come out a 20mm English Chain Co isn't significantly better than a 12mm Oxford, so why deal with the extra weight? Chains deter casual thieves only.

[timwilky]

Sufficient. That is all I am telling you.

[northwind]

There's a pretty in depth review in Ride this month of a lot of chains with a pro thief and a locksmith both attacking them. An £80 Squire came out top, which is good for the wallet if you must have a serious chain. But they did make the same mistake all of these reviews do of not mentioning weight or size... one chain got a great mark because it was too tight to the bike to attack with most tools- but what that means to me is, it's too short to chain the bike to anything. And I'd rather have a thinner, lighter chain that survives 2 minutes of noisy attack than a battleship chain that manages 3.

Also, some very lightweight chains are judged along the same lines as the super-heavy ones, which is obviously nonsense- of course they're going to be easier to break, they've got half the chain mass. But that's why they're often better than the big boys, you're more likely to use them. A massive Almax or whatever in your garage is less useful than a lighter Datatool that you can carry everywhere.

The prices are way foff as well for some of them- for instance, they quote an Oxford one at £60 that I've never seen above £40.

Originally Posted by northwind

There's a pretty in depth review in Ride this month of a lot of chains with a pro thief and a locksmith both attacking them.

Can you scan it for those who missed this issue Please...

I don't have any security on my bike at all. However at work it is parked in a private car park. To enter the car park you need a security pass for the main barrier. There are cameras EVERYWHERE.

At home it is parked in my brick built shed. The car is parked in front of the door. The car is alarmed so to get to the bike they first have to move the car. Even if they manage that, I have the door to the shed on a sensor and also a PIR inside the shed. If the door opens or the PIR sensor picks up movement the main house alarm will be triggered.

Think it should be safe enough.

Saying all this, anyone that has seen my bike will know it really wouldn't be worth the risk of getting caught to steal it.

[northwind]

Originally Posted by sabestian

Can you scan it for those who missed this issue Please...

Nah, it's been somewhat discredited- they used really cheap bolt cutters. If you want a good rundown of chains, go on Visordown and search for anything posted by Zanx. It'll strike you that he talks like he works for Almax, but his findings are thoroughly backed up. Basically there's only about 3 chains on the market that can't be cropped in under 30 seconds with a good bolt cutter. Almax is one, i think English Chain Co do another, and there's a smaller one which I think can be cut, but is vey resistant to attacks.

I think there should be some stuff on this on the motorcyclenews website, and it's either been in an MCN or is just about to be. Prepare to be a bit annoyed, if you've spent any amount of money on a Datatool, Oxford, Squire, English Chain Co, Motrax, older Almax... in fact, just about anyone but the Series 3 Almax or these 2 brand new ones. Any pro thief will have good croppers, and your hain might as well be a shoelace.

I'm glad I've got a £20 cheapy Oxford- it'll put off amateurs and kids, and protects against a real attack exactly as well as 9/10 of the other chains on the market (ie, not at all) and at a fraction of the price.