Not quite sure how I feel about this story

Originally Posted by Kinvig

He may have just been a tresspasser(!).

a legal eagle type told me Trespass is often misunderstood, and is defined as entering a third parties property, with malicious intent.

Ie, if there is no intent to, or actual, harm done it strictly speaking is not Trespass.

True? False?

You mean to tell me that if someone walks into my home but only intends having a quiet chat and just borrow some of my belongings they are quiet at liberty to do so and there's nothing I can do about it?

I think not....where's me teddybear!

Someone breaks into my home, which they would have to do because it is 'always' locked, day or night, they had better be a paid up BUPA member cos they aint going to be walking out! ...and I'm a very light sleeper!

Stay off private property! Death may be a little harsh but he knew the risk!

Tony Martin was being burgled every fortnight, and the police did nothing. Maybe the police should be the ones being questionned. The poor guy was terrorised to insanity -he moved every possesion he owned upstairs in fear of the kids. I'd have done the same thing!

I think it's ridiculous that we can't defend our own property anymore, and give the scum a good hiding, without fear of being charged for abh, etc...

Ridiculous - if they don't want a hiding, stay the heck outta my house!

Tony Martin said he was burgled every fortnight. The police were extremely unsure as to whether this happened, bonkers people have a tendancy to make things up on occasion. He also said he'd like to tie gypsies up with barbed wire in his field and machine gun them.

The original jury were given the option of a manslaughter charge, they went with murder. On appeal the claim for self defence was also again rejected. What was accepted was a claim for paranoid personality disorder, and so on the grounds of diminished responsibility the charge was dropped to manslaughter as he was mental. Mentally ill people with guns usually get a different kind or press coverage.

His first parole hearing rejected his application for parole as they still found him to be "a very dangerous man".

Basically every turn of the British legal system found him to be not acting in self defence, but the actions of a mental case with an illegaly held firearm, the jury, the appeal court, and the parole board.

And on release (after three years) he urged people to vote BNP and went to National Front gatherings. Like I say, bit of a fruit loop. With a gun. Never a combination that's going to end well.

Again, I'm not saying the case didn't, and doesn't continue to, raise issues that need addressing, but Tony Martin isn't the poster child for that campaign.



Refs:
General overview - http://www.guardian.co.uk/martin/art...214336,00.html
Parole board rejects parole - http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1136392.ece
Tony Martin on BNP, National Front & "Dictator a good thing" - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...18/ixhome.html

cant believe im saying this.......

what Tim said................

Originally Posted by MiniMatt

He also said he'd like to tie gypsies up with barbed wire in his field and machine gun them.

When do I start?!



(they were the best gypo pictures I could find. a dude with a knife - and someone stealing a pet)

My old man is a farmer. We've now got one of them posh alarms that rings the police if someone breaks in, but when i lived with em, there was a sign on the front door "Intruders will be shot first, questions asked later" and we meant it. Human instinct is to defend your family and property. I doubt the thought of "oooh but i might get into trouble" crosses your mind when some thieving little thug is in your house. Throwing a guy through a 4th floor window does seem a bit extreme, but I'd sooner do that than let the c$£t do it to me. He took a gamble and lost.

Doest say if he threw him or he fell, so until they clear that one up they shouldnt charge him. But if he did throw him good luck to him