Knife crime - petition

[Stingo]

See Clanger - the problem with your cure for knife crime (national service) would be viewed as totally unfair and ridiculous by those in the military as well as many others. The reason for this is that on the one hand we have good people who are willing to obey orders and place their lives on the line whether it be in Iraq or anywhere else...on the other hand, your solution is to 'punish' somebody by sending then to do the same job along with the volunteer. It can't/won't happen and is quite plainly unfair. As a youth worker, you must have some sort of idea how peoples actions should have consequences...these consequences cannot be the same as the work undertaken by those that volunteer for the job/work - it must have some other element that inconveniences them and makes life awkward. Loss of liberty is a good place to start - in my opinion. It might not solve the problem initially but it would give some of us peace of mind and it might make others think a bit before they carried out actions that they may later regret.
National Service is not the answer.

[Biker Biggles]

How about a special regiment for scrotes so the regulars dont have to be part of it?
A bit like the French Foriegn Legion.
No nice postings like Cyprus either

[Stingo]

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

How about a special regiment for scrotes so the regulars dont have to be part of it?
A bit like the French Foriegn Legion.
No nice postings like Cyprus either

Or there very own ship marooned in the Sargasso sea...

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by neio79

The army would be so much more effective at arrests as we dont give a f**k about cracking a few skulls to get people under control.

Funny, you don't look zimbabwean at all neio!

Originally Posted by neio79

Better than National Service Just stop depoying us to Iraq and Afgan ans stick us on Patrol in the **** hole areas of our Citys, I am sure a bunch of C8*ts with Knives aint going to argue with an 8 man patrol properly tooled up for aggresive patroling. Introduce Armoured patrols as well!!

A case leave the knife behind or feel what a proper Bayonet feels like, they are cool with serated edges on one side to cut bone and cartlidge and blood channels to ensure ther is not a vacume seal and it can be removed easily.

Also the tower blocks make excellent Sniper positions to practice from.

The army would be so much more effective at arrests as we dont give a f**k about cracking a few skulls to get people under control.

I for one would love to patrol the **** streets of the UK rather than Souther Iraq, its a lot cooler and with no IED's to watch out for.

As for Concidering national service , Matt i would think its ok if all the street wise cocky ****s are in one platoon etc as then if they dont perform or do as they are told when they are told their first mistake will be their last.

+1 theres nothing better than a pick axe handle to stop a fight between two drunks

Originally Posted by husky03

What gets to me about this is that there scumbag lawyers paint them as miss understood but are fully aware what they get up to-i work in the knife crime capital of europe, where doctors from all over the world come to train in our hospitals to study the effects of knife crime on the human body-you just need to go to the royal on a weekend night and it'll sicken you to the core-we've been too soft for too long now and society is paying the price.

IMO Lawyers are NOT the problem (BTW I am not a lawyer!) - part of British justice is that everyone gets a lawyer who does not pre-judge yer guilt before the case. I appreciate that not always conveniant or lead to good results - but IMO better than the alternative.

The problem is simply inadequate punishment once convicted (Scumbag lawyer or not - enuf folk do get convicted). If the punishment for stabbing someone was a minimum of 15 years in jail (time served), 10 years for threatening someone and 5 years for simply carrying one (with no reasonable purpose).....this would decrease both the numbers of knives carried and therefore used AND also positively impact on law and (dis)order as those who carry them / threaten with / use will no doubt carry out other crimes if all they receive is a slap on the wrist. 15 years in Clink they ain't gonna be doing anything to anyone on the street.

2 downsides are that results will not be instant. and would cost money. But IMO the money would be spent anyway down the line.

[yorkie_chris]

Prisons are full anyway, I've got no idea what to do as I don't think that would work. In the $hithole areas with lots of estates there's no respect for law and order anyway.

I keep thinking of the same thing, if you've never contributed to society in any way, then work or starve. That or start napalming sink estates?

Prisons are full?

That cos' their are a lot of criminals.

Build more. Lots more. I would DOUBLE the prison space (does not all have to be Cat 1) If it later proves to be excess capacity it means the problem is solved - and a billion quid on a few empty prisons would be a cheap price in the long run.

The cost! the cost! But yer got to take a long term view. Scroats off the street provide a cost saving both through the Criminal injustice system AND more importantly in the wider world.

In any case, we can always find the money for a war (or 2). Their is always the money available if the will is their.......


(BTW I am not saying every Crim needs to be in Prison - plenty could be dealt with from Community Service etc and others should be in Mental health care).

[yorkie_chris]

Cheaper? Prisons are really expensive. Only way to make a cheap prison would be to fire the offenders in the general direction of the hebridis with a slingshot.

Yep , just what you need on the front line in Iraq or Afghanistan when all you,ve got to depend on is your mates around you and then you get lumped with some scumbag wh thinks carrying a knife is 'cool' ,wouldnt work Im afraid.