To unrestrict or not..

Originally Posted by BluePete

I wondered about a wheelie school, then decided to enlist in a "How to overtake over solid white lines" school and a "How to speed through villages" school.

Why waste money? Can't use the skills you gain anywhere except private roads. Not trying to be a killjoy, one of my colleagues asked me if I wanted to go to a wheelie school with him and he got the same reply. Can't see any point in it myself, just my opinion.

I disagree mate. Wheelie school has it's uses.

Lets say you have a bike that's more powerful than an SV for a second. You get cut up in traffic, and in a red-mist moment, yank the throttle & dump the clutch. Oh S**T! All you can see is sky. The Wheelie school would of given you the confidence/skill to be able to land the front wheel again (rear brake, keep the front wheel in line), and you know what it's going to feel like by instinct pretty much.

Whereas if you haven't done wheelie's before, and find yourself in one by accident (still illegal, but it's accidental) that could be a good recepie for a serious bit of tank slapper.

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by neio79

Police can only tell if it is not by checking the ECU (unlikley) and if its a big crash chances are its in bits anyway!

Also i have said a lot of times on here, it gets recovered home and alows you the time to change it over anyhow!

I personally dont care what you do and would be just as anoyed if a legit rider hit me as the result to my bike is the same, oh and i am fully comp so regardless of blame i can get me bike fixed or recover the costs of it being written off.

but there are plenty of threads on here about this. and people get on their soap box about it alot.

also if yo uwere to crash at 90MPH on a restricted bike doing its top whack or an unrestricted one at 90 the result will be the same= more than likley dead!!

Cannot argue with your comment about it doesn't matter damage wise whether restricted or not.

However what about the attitude part.

If they are not willing to abide by the rules with regards to what they can ride, why should you assume they will abide by the other rules.

Rules such as slowing down in 20mph zones near schools.......

[Luckypants]

Originally Posted by Baph

You get cut up in traffic, and in a red-mist moment, yank the throttle & dump the clutch. Oh S**T! All you can see is sky......

Your case above and the deliberate wheelie on public roads is basic bad driving. OK a wheelie where safe to do so can be fine, but you get my drift.

There is a line here between those that believe in following the spirit of rules of the road and those that seem to think these are all optional.

Riding an unrestricted bike on a restricited license is the same as riding with no license, no insurance etc. It is just wrong, because if someone else is involved there is serious chance you will ruin thier lives for ever and not have the means to make any compensation to make thier shattered life more bearable.

BluePete - good post, good point.

Originally Posted by Steve_God

Scenario 2: You hit a Mercedes, it does £12,500 worth of damage. Police arrive, have no idea of knowing if your bike is restricted or not as it's just an ECU cartridge underneath the seat, and would be more occupied with taking statements and clearing the scene than checking for a bit of plastic, not to mention they wouldn't have any testing equipment there.
Chances are, you take the bike home, you change over the ECU to your standard one in the rare eventuality that your insurance company wants to check that out. (Baring in mind that the restricted ECU will still do 100mph+).
Worth the risk?

Don't want to advocate braking the law, and I would highly recommend waiting a long time before changing it over, but it's not something that they check as a regular issue.

Originally Posted by neio79

Police can only tell if it is not by checking the ECU (unlikley) and if its a big crash chances are its in bits anyway!

Also i have said a lot of times on here, it gets recovered home and alows you the time to change it over anyhow!

I personally dont care what you do and would be just as anoyed if a legit rider hit me as the result to my bike is the same, oh and i am fully comp so regardless of blame i can get me bike fixed or recover the costs of it being written off.

but there are plenty of threads on here about this. and people get on their soap box about it alot.

also if yo uwere to crash at 90MPH on a restricted bike doing its top whack or an unrestricted one at 90 the result will be the same= more than likley dead!!

Once upon a time, I worked for an insurance company. If they're facing a ten grand claim on a £200 policy, believe me, they will do anything and everything in their power to get out of paying it, including putting your ECU on an electronic dyno. Or checking the part number, whichever's easiest. Believe me, I've seen it done to guys with remapped cars who didn't declare to their insurers.

I agree with the above posts.

However to answer your question as to what it feels like to go from restricted to un restricted. I did that move in April. There's more go from the bottom end and the top end obviously has more scope to go silly. The difference in power was surprisingly not that scary when I rode it back from the garage. If anything the bike is easier to ride because the power comes in more smoothly and it feels better and more planted.

The bike is great at full or 33 bhp. I'd say wait your time out. It goes quickly and if you get good at riding with 33 it can only benefit you in 12 months time.

Originally Posted by Baph

I disagree mate. Wheelie school has it's uses.

Lets say you have a bike that's more powerful than an SV for a second. You get cut up in traffic, and in a red-mist moment, yank the throttle & dump the clutch. Oh S**T! All you can see is sky. The Wheelie school would of given you the confidence/skill to be able to land the front wheel again (rear brake, keep the front wheel in line), and you know what it's going to feel like by instinct pretty much.

Whereas if you haven't done wheelie's before, and find yourself in one by accident (still illegal, but it's accidental) that could be a good recepie for a serious bit of tank slapper.

Exactly, it's pokey enough as it is..it does worry me that will happen and I won't know what to do.

Originally Posted by Baph

I'm sure once or twice people have said the dealership has called to say they're closing down too. Personally, I find it quite hard to believe that they would bother calling. The usual liquidation procedures are that the liquidators wait for the debtors to get in touch with them. Whomever is owed the most gets what's there, anyone else can go jump.

Not every dealer that closes down has done so because they have gone bust


Collect your bits..keep them wrapped up tight..or with a friend if that removes temptation. Wait till your legally able and then away you go.

Originally Posted by WRCSixtyThree

Once upon a time, I worked for an insurance company. If they're facing a ten grand claim on a £200 policy, believe me, they will do anything and everything in their power to get out of paying it, including putting your ECU on an electronic dyno. Or checking the part number, whichever's easiest. Believe me, I've seen it done to guys with remapped cars who didn't declare to their insurers.

By which point the bike is already back home awaiting to be picked up by the approved insurance repair company with the standard (restricted) ECU in

Thats of course presuming you got your bike home, and arent lying in:
A.) The Morgue
B.) A Hospital Bed

Originally Posted by Steve_God

By which point the bike is already back home awaiting to be picked up by the approved insurance repair company with the standard (restricted) ECU in

Sorry, you'll never convince me that's a , I'm afraid.

In the case of a clearly at-fault accident, and especially when a policy has special terms (such as high value vehicle, restricted use, etc), the insurers will only take a vehicle to an approved insurance assessor's compound, or other secure storage area.