anyone got faith in the NHS?

Just saw this on the Beeb http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7104161.stm

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Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

How can any trusts complain about being broke, where has all the money gone?!

Paying rubbish management and pen pusher to try and run wards like a business rather than a service I believe is the general agreed consensus.

I would love to opt out and only pay a minimal amount to cover emergencies, I would be £350+ better off a month if i could. I'm unlikely to use the NHS and what good is the state pension anyway, it probably wont exist by the time I'm eligable to collect it.

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Originally Posted by BristolMatt

Just saw this on the Beeb http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7104161.stm

This is exactly the point, lots of inexperienced staff. I took my girlfriend to A&E last month, she had clearly broke her foot, when we removed her shoe it was very clear to see. The foot then swelled and it no longer looked broken.

The young doctor who looked younger than me (and I look young) said he thinks its just bruised, he had a laid back really couldnt give a **** attitude. He sent her for an x-ray and looked at it briefly and confirmed his suspicions that it was just bruised at which point he showed us out the door.

Along comes a senior doctor who points out her foot does actually have a nasty break at which point the junior doctor dissapeared and we were then treated by the senior doctor.

The junior doctor had a badge on that said 'Foundation Year 1' maybe Dr E Fraser can elighten us to what level of training this junior actually had to be treating us and sending us on our way with a completely wrong diagnosis?

Originally Posted by graemepaterson

The junior doctor had a badge on that said 'Foundation Year 1' maybe Dr E Fraser can elighten us to what level of training this junior actually had to be treating us and sending us on our way with a completely wrong diagnosis?

Fresh and shiny, straight out of medical school, no McDonalds badges.
Like you, I wouldn't want to be treated by one but if no-one is they never get more experienced and become senior doctors. If all the health care in the NHS was delivered by consultants then it would cost twice as much and when we all died out you wouldn't have anyone to step in. The idea is that juniors should be supervised and, to be fair, it does sound like that is what happened.
At least the FP1 as they as snazzily known won't have been working a 32 hour shift like I had in 1994 when I was in their shoes. Some progress.

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Originally Posted by drefraser

So does that mean that when you had a mishap on the track you went to

1. BUPA
2. the vet
3. your mate who had that operation game when he was a kid?

I'm just curious about my competition

well for starters i live just round the corner from one of the worst hospitals in the counrty (watford general), which not too long ago managed to leave a toddler in A&E that blatantly needed urgent care, for a VERY long time which resulted in him dieing. secondly my dad needed a resurfacing of his hip. it was needed as it was getting to the point of which where he couldn't walk very well and without some pain and couldn't get in a car very easily. despite this he would have had to wait something along the lines of 12 months on the NHS so had to pay and go BUPA. and my final problem was when my nan needing hearing aids for obvious reasons! lol. which she couldn't afford to pay for and the waiting list on NHS was 18 months. and this waiting time pretty much resulted in the death of my grandfather when he fell down the stairs during the night and she could never hear his cries for help!!

other than this i do understand that the people who work for the NHS are quite outstanding people and nurses in particular are disgracefully underpaid and over worked and that they do the best they can with what they've got. and i very much respect them for that!!

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Originally Posted by drefraser

Fresh and shiny, straight out of medical school, no McDonalds badges.
Like you, I wouldn't want to be treated by one but if no-one is they never get more experienced and become senior doctors. If all the health care in the NHS was delivered by consultants then it would cost twice as much and when we all died out you wouldn't have anyone to step in. The idea is that juniors should be supervised and, to be fair, it does sound like that is what happened.
At least the FP1 as they as snazzily known won't have been working a 32 hour shift like I had in 1994 when I was in their shoes. Some progress.

I did some looking about to try an answer my own question

In the most junior post (foundation year 1) a doctor would earn a basic salary of £20,741. Bloody hell no wonder he had a couldnt give a **** attitude
A competent individual could reach consultant status within ten years. The starting salary for consultants is currently from approximately £70,000 up to around £93,000. Bloody hell no wonder your sticking up for the NHS lol

Originally Posted by graemepaterson

I did some looking about to try an answer my own question

In the most junior post (foundation year 1) a doctor would earn a basic salary of £20,741. Bloody hell no wonder he had a couldnt give a **** attitude
A competent individual could reach consultant status within ten years. The starting salary for consultants is currently from approximately £70,000 up to around £93,000. Bloody hell no wonder your sticking up for the NHS lol

Erm, shuffling of feet, lots of stethoscope expenses to consider, erm

Those salaries are modest in today's world. In fact I'm surprised that consultants salaries are so low.

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Originally Posted by Ed

Those salaries are modest in today's world. In fact I'm surprised that consultants salaries are so low.

I too am shocked at the junior salary, the consultants isnt bad for the experience and time it takes to get to that stage.

My aunt is a GP in scotland and 'doesnt do bad' £1m+ house........She is supposed to be earning £150kish according to my gran and she does next to bugger all compared to being in a busy hospital.

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Never done me no harm. Ok, you may have to wait every now and again, but generally i think they are fine. For all other issues, i Have BUPA