Simply Indicating is not enough.

Originally Posted by simesb

So you don't think retesting would work, but don't have any ideas yourself.....

Clearly there's no point explaining anythng to you if you can't grasp the simple concept that even the most beligerant and dangerous driver is capable of behaving themselves long enough to pass a simple driving test.

Originally Posted by simesb

So you are saying that 20-30 years after passing their test everybody can still drive to test standard but few bother. I wish I had your faith in the human nature.

How then do you ensure that people do drive/ride to a reasonable standard? There is no retesting here except after disqualification and I know that mandatory retesting will not be introduced (and you don't believe it will work.) What then do you suggest?

In theory, unless affected by an impairment acquired post-test, there is no reason why a person who has passed the driving test can not drive to test standard for the rest of their lives.

The ways to get people to be better drivers are to A) make the tests harder in the first place to ensure that people can actually drive, not just pass the test and B) have more traffic cops. But our government doesn't like traffic cops and replaces them with 'safety cameras'

What cartwrim said.

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

Clearly there's no point explaining anythng to you if you can't grasp the simple concept that even the most beligerant and dangerous driver is capable of behaving themselves long enough to pass a simple driving test.

Originally Posted by cartwrim

In theory, unless affected by an impairment acquired post-test, there is no reason why a person who has passed the driving test can not drive to test standard for the rest of their lives.

The ways to get people to be better drivers are to A) make the tests harder in the first place to ensure that people can actually drive, not just pass the test and B) have more traffic cops. But our government doesn't like traffic cops and replaces them with 'safety cameras'

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

What cartwrim said.

If the Squirrel is to be believed, a harder test makes no difference as the belligerent and dangerous drivers can behave themselves for a test.

Originally Posted by simesb

If the Squirrel is to be believed, a harder test makes no difference as the belligerent and dangerous drivers can behave themselves for a test.

True, but then they could behave themselves for a retest too - which both they and the rest of the normal population would have to pay extra money to government coffers for

And I for one have had enough of filling government coffers just so they can bail out banks who mess up and the like.

Originally Posted by simesb

If the Squirrel is to be believed, a harder test makes no difference as the belligerent and dangerous drivers can behave themselves for a test.

Actually, yes. The Germans have a famously difficult test, but we (at least we did, not sure about these days) have safer roads than they do.

When it comes to social engineering, what you think will make a difference and what actually makes a difference are often not the same.

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by AndyBrad

never been to halifax have you? 70% of taxis are dodgy

Have to agree with this one. Taxi dodging in chav central is not fun

Not everyone is a bad driver, I just like to make sure that those who make a point being one, get a good hand signal and head shake etc.
There are few good drivers these days, more and more younger drivers are TBH exceedingly bad round here.
On the other end of the scale you have peeps like my dad with some 35 + years no claims, a couple of points, for being caught on the Ainley top scameras when they were first introduced, but none since.
In fact my grandad did better than that, before he died he went to renew his insurance on the car, and they didn't believe he'd gone 50 years without an accident or claim...must have been something to do with driving tanks and maintain motorbikes in the war

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

Actually, yes. The Germans have a famously difficult test, but we (at least we did, not sure about these days) have safer roads than they do.

They also have more police, stricter speed limits and camera's everywhere which are really hidden and are tiny grey boxes. Be careful what you wish for.........

I think our countries general attitude has a lot to do with the driving. We are over cramped with too many cars on the road and people are always rushing about. I got called a winker this morning just because I could filter past some stationary cars. Not once in Germany did I see road rage or any bad driving by it's inhabitants. The tourists are a different story.

I try to stay out of vehicles blind spots, so if I'm overtaking I'll give it a bit of gas and get past quickly.

What really annoys me is the people who sit in the middle lane of motorways, probably complaining that the motorway is chocka-block. Absolute idiots.

Originally Posted by sam hagger

What really annoys me is the people who sit in the middle lane of motorways, probably complaining that the motorway is chocka-block. Absolute idiots.

+1, I see this every day on the way to work down the M6